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Offline iron_worker

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Project: 7-Fizzle - V1.1 - If only spring would get here...
« on: October 26, 2012, 02:19:07 PM »
Hey guys,

I had planned to document the beginning phases of my build more thoroughly (like the putting together of the shop and the stripping down of the bike) but as you know ... sometimes things fall by the wayside.

Some background: My dad had a few different CB750s when he was young and loved them. They were always the bike that stood out in his mind. When he got married and had kids the bikes had to be sold ... but down the road my mother made him a promise that if he quit smoking then he could buy a bike. So he did. He bought a 1974 CB750 K4 (some time in the late 90s as I recall). It was great! ... Except for the part where it was in and out of different mechanic shops and none of them could get it to run like he remembered. It ran good enough for him to enjoy so it never went beyond that.

Sadly, in september of 2007 he passed away and we all still miss him dearly. The bike was passed on to me as the only son and the only one with any interest in riding. I rode it as is until this year. I've know graduated with my Mechanical Engineering Degree and have a job and a bit of money that I feel it's time to get it running right and looking good.

I rebuilt the carbs, synced them, did a 3000mile tune up, and replaced the exhaust with a reproduction set from CMSNL.com. This summer it looked like this:


And sounded like this:



Fast forward a few months... I've been planning away and saving my money to create the ultimate "Man Room". I own a 3rd floor condo and it won't be changing for the next few years since my gf has gone back to get her law degree. Soooo .... I had to make do. I laid plastic over the carpet, plywood over that, and then some diamond pattern rubber matting. I added a craftsman workbench with pegboard and cabinets and roll-away tool boxes that fit underneath. I also put in a full height cabinet and an open shelf. See for yourself...






Yes that's a 20gallon parts washer...


The old girl stripped down... got it up the stairs with the wheels and fenders on but it wouldn't fit around the corner into the room! D'oh! So I had to strip it down to this before it would make the corner. ha


I'm a bit worried about the electrical nightmare.


Some parts and junk.


Can a guy buy new chrome edging for the seat? I had my seat recovered and it's in relatively good shape other than the chrome edging.


Repro exhaust... Are old rusted out 4into4s worth anything?


Rebuilt carbs. Can a guy have these soda blasted as is? Will it hurt anything?


Some progress I've made in some basic cleanup... the inside of the headlight "ears" were completely rusted out. Soaked them in vinegar for a couple days and gave them a gentle scrub. Voila!


Before.


After. Think it's salvageable? I think that lip is where the rubber seal is supposed to sit.


That brings us up until now...

The plan: is to bring it back to looking and feeling pretty much factory. I want experience what my dad raved about.  This will likely include:

-Engine rebuild (replace pistons if cylinders are out of spec, otherwise just hone and new rings, all new gaskets, etc)
-Abrasive blast the frame, battery box, odds and ends and PC
-Rebuild the shocks
-New wiring harness
-Rebuild brakes front and rear

Clean up and make nice as much as possible where money allows.

I had considered going ballz out on a big bore, lightened crank, lightened alternator, oversize valves, etc etc etc ... but the cost was escalating very quickly and I think the bike is just to special to me to mod it like that. Guess that just means I'll need to do another one after this one! lol

Let me know what you guys figure and any inputs are greatly appreciated. I'll try to update more regularly now that the project is moving.

IW
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Re: Project: 7-Fizzle built in the Man Room!
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2012, 03:01:04 PM »
Looks like a very good start!

One question,  how the heck did you get her up on the third floor?  Late night move?
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Project: 7-Fizzle built in the Man Room!
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2012, 04:03:34 PM »
I'm more interested to hear how you plan on getting it out!

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« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2012, 04:29:15 PM »
Yep. Two of my strongest buddies (regular men won't work lol), and a whole lot of grunting and pushing up 3 flights of stairs. I didn't think it would be that bad with the wheels on ... I was wrong. Dear lord we were panting and puffing by the time we got it to the top.

I'm thinking I'll just have to bring it down in pieces... that or build a crane from my patio. lol

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Re: Project: 7-Fizzle built in the Man Room!
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2012, 04:41:35 PM »
I love it and I'm sure she will too.
I mean, who wouldn't love shop commitment like that.

Oh, bike looks good too.  ;D
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« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2012, 02:43:12 PM »
Some questions for you guys:

Anyone ever had a rack of carbs soda blasted or bead blasted while fully assembled? I'd imagine soda blasting would be better in this case since you could dissolve all the remnants with some warm water.... wheres the glass beads would probably tend to jam up in the slides and ports etc.

What about bead blasting/soda blasting engine covers? What about the machined surfaces? Will it hurt them?

Where can I find the chrome stripping to go along the edge of my seat?

Thanks,

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« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2012, 08:34:44 PM »
Well guys I was at a wedding all weekend and am at the gym 4 nights a week so I have only been able to putz around half an hour here and there etc.


Tail light I used the old vinegar soak... had a little rust in the corners (mostly on the inside). Looks great now.


Dismantled front fender before cleaning... this is what the rear fender looked like on the inside as well (worse actually). I've soaked it in degreaser and now it's sitting in some vinegar as well.


Rear fender and tail light support having a rust removal soak.


he vinegar works really well on slightly rusty chrome hardware. These were only soaked a few hours.


The flange where the rubber grommet is supposed to sit is pretty much gone as you can see.


But they look good from the other side! (I looked them up and they would be about $150 for the pair with new rubbers off of CMSNL.com .... ouch. I also need a new rear grab bar (another $150)...


Some of the crap that just fell off in the vinegar bath. Yuck.

So as you can see it's slow progress but I'm trying to tackle things as assemblies so I can reassemble after. I just don't have the space in my 8x10 room to have parts scattered everywhere.

Any tips on polishing chrome?! I assume you would need something quite abrasive to work actually cut chrome? There is a mastercraft polishing kit I've been spying for about $50 that has various wheels for your drill and some rouges. Would this work?

IW
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« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2012, 06:16:07 AM »
I use a .5 hp bench grinder with two 6 inch craftsman cotton wheels. Iwet sand with 400 grit and then attack with red rougue and finish off with white. This works well for me on aluminum. For chrome I use either 000  or 0000 steel wool. Finish with a good chrome cleaner...............Gary
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Re: Project: 7-Fizzle built in the Man Room!
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2012, 08:23:25 AM »
Not sure if the bench grinder would go over well in the apartment. ha

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« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2012, 11:28:26 AM »
 Good point.lol ..............Gary
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Re: Project: 7-Fizzle built in the Man Room!
« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2012, 11:46:37 AM »
I've been looking around for a shop that would do custom polishing but no luck so far.

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Re: Project: 7-Fizzle built in the Man Room!
« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2012, 01:17:58 PM »
Pro Bumper maybe? You don't know anyone with a bench grinder?
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« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2012, 09:15:03 AM »
Another Saskatchewan-ite! Greetings.

I will check out pro bumper. I also found this place which I may check out: http://www.fairmontelectroplating.com/

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« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2012, 09:35:17 AM »
Last I heard, Fairmont didn't like to take on piece-work, just bumpers. When I worked at Provincial I could chrome anything I wanted but I wasn't payed enough to be able to buy bikes. >:(
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« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2012, 09:43:04 AM »
Apparently chroming bumpers is a big business?

Where is this provincial you speak of?

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« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2012, 10:30:03 AM »
It's now called Pro Bumper. Bumper plating is (or was) huge, probably not so much anymore because of the advent of plastic bumpers. They have huge belt driven english wheels that can put a shine on anything.
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« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2012, 03:36:31 PM »
I continue on cleaning bits here and there and pulling more pieces off the bike etc. Here is what I accomplished this week.


Bagged and tagged almost all the hardware that I've removed up to this point. Most of it is cleaned as well. The zinc stuff I may re-plate.


Polished my pipes and shocks. Pipes are only a year old but had a surprising amount of grime.


They aren't perfect but they look pretty damn good in this pic.

Tip for taking them apart. Get the preload adjuster to the lowest preload first. Then hold one end against something solid (I used my vise) and pull the cup side in and shake it a bit. The locking rings should fall out. To get them back together I pushed down against the floor and had my gf put the retainers back in.


Got my fenders looking pretty good. The rear has some scratches that I tried to polish out but I don't think my drill can go fast enough to really cut chrome. I'd have to get them re-plated to make them perfect but I think that may not be worth the $ considering they are in pretty good shape.


Bought a 30mm socket and used my impact to take off the steering stem. Easy peasy. Used a big pry bar type thing to drive the bearing races out. No problem. Haven't taken the race off the stem itself yet so that may be the problem one. I also may have lost 1 of the balls (18 from the top and 19 from the bottom) but I think I plan to go tapered roller anyway.

I also got all of the electrical out of the bike included battery box etc... as well as some other bits like shifter pedal and brake pedal.


Tried to clean up my forks a bit and started to drain them... Found out my fork tubes are probably beyond repair. Both have large gouges right in the seal area. No wonder they leaked. My gaiters were also screwed.


Probably the original fork oil. Flows like puss and smells horrible. Yuck.


Found the ring at the top of the gaiter to have a crack as well.  Damn.


And continue to cycle parts through a vinegar bath followed by a rigorous cleaning in the parts washer.

I also managed to free a stuck screw that held the speedo cable into the front wheel. Dremel and impact screw driver to the rescue...

So I'm making progress. Pretty soon I'll have the bike down to just the bare chassis and engine and then I'll have to recruit some help to pull it. Then it'll be off to powder coater for the frame and other bits. Once the frame is gone I think I'll start the engine tear down (also have another shelf ordered from Sears that should help organization a lot). After that I'll have to build a crate to get ready and ship my motor to Cycle X....

I still also need to take the tires off the wheels and I think I'll be pulling the hubs out of the wheels as well for proper cleaning and polishing/painting.

IW
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« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2012, 10:47:47 PM »
Nice project thread - really enjoying following along.   I like your 3rd floor workshop, very creative.   Made me think of a picture from an old thread, where one of the members (Cavebear)  rebuilt his bike in the attic, then lowered it down, "back in the day".  Here's a picture from the forum archives:




 


Do you have someplace you can bring the refinished pieces down part by part and then assemble it on street level?
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« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2012, 07:17:10 AM »
I've seen that picture before and it is definitely awesome. lol I've also considered building a hoist off of my patio to lower the bike down instead... however I wouldn't want to be responsible for ruining the structure ... or killing myself. ha

There is a bike parking area where I did my work this summer. It's not ideal since it's down 3 floors and across a parking lot but it works. Probably not even supposed to work there but no one seems to mind as long as I clean up after I'm done each time.

Thanks for checkin in.

IW

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« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2012, 08:07:24 AM »
lookin' good!  it's amazing how well the vinegar bath works, isn't it?   pretty gratifying to drop in a rust-covered old part and end up with a shiny new-looking part with a minimum of elbow grease.

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« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2012, 09:59:17 AM »
I was definitely shocked how well it worked. So shocked I upgraded to a larger size tub and more vinegar. lol

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« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2012, 05:56:44 PM »
Subscribed... Question though, how does the room make the apartment smell? I like the size, I may need to build one in my basement. Set up really nice.
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« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2012, 01:52:40 AM »
Man this is awesome ! Love your "man room" !!!!

What kind of vinegar are you using ? and on what parts ?

I've read here on the forum about using it as a cleaner and gave it a try with the vineagar i found in my food store. It was like white wine vinegar i belive, but it said only 6% ... Anyhow i used it on my brake rotors and after 1 week the rotors are brownish....

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« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2012, 06:13:01 AM »
when i had a vinegar tub set up in my kitchen, it made the place smell like vinegar.  not real bad (except in the kitchen) but it was noticeable.  but at least it's a "clean" smell.   not sure what IW is using, but i used the cheapest distilled white vinegar i could find (around $2/gal) and it worked great.

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« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2012, 06:19:43 AM »
Ahhhhhhhh! Your post count! Evil thing from Hell!
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