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Re: low drop cafe bars
« Reply #50 on: January 12, 2013, 01:22:59 PM »
You're only putting all your weight on your hands if you put the rear sets too far back, which a lot of people do.  In henning's picture, he only needs a couple of inches.

I've ridden bikes where the rearsets are on the passenger peg mounts (too far back) and it sucks ass-  I imagine that your experience is the same.

EDIT- The goal of rearsets on a street bike is to get your feet to be under you.  A more prone GP riding position on the street isn't fun at all.  On my 750F I've just flipped the pegs (which works on 77-78 F bikes) which put them pretty close to the ideal location for my inseam,  which about 2 inches back from stock.

Other than ergonomics,Properly set rear seats  are meant to raise the peg position as well. If your really leaning the bike while on stock pegs, they will scrape the road.

Doesn't take much effort at all to scrape the stock pegs...
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Re: low drop cafe bars
« Reply #51 on: April 17, 2014, 01:21:40 PM »
I was hoping that this topic would discuss the differences between the clubman's vs Drag type vs stock handlebars, not the style involved. While style is part of it, it certainly is with me, I'd like to hear the handling characteristics of the clubmans.

I recently finished a ground-up rebuild of my K0, except for the paint, and as part of the "style" I wanted to project was a set of clubman handlebars. I've never ridden with them but have lots of time with the drag style bars. I found the drag bars very nice and comfortable.

I took the bike out for a run up and down the block just to see if the wheels stayed on the other day. At slow speeds I found the clubman bars to be sluggish and it took some effort to handle a slow turn. I wonder if others could relate their observations in the handling department of those style bars.


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Re: low drop cafe bars
« Reply #52 on: April 17, 2014, 04:47:54 PM »
Nice bike! From this and other threads I conclude that those that prefer Clubmans have long arms - like myself. Makes buying shirts a pain, though.
As to your slow turn-in complaint, I would look to your choice of tyres. I just fitted a set of Heidenaus on my K1 and it is night and day to what I had before. Lean it into the corner and it stays where you put it.
The stock bars give more leverage and are great for muscling a 750 around town, but don't fit the style you are going for.
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Re: low drop cafe bars
« Reply #53 on: April 18, 2014, 07:03:41 AM »
quick history lesson: clubman bars were designed in the 50's for tiny (500cc and under) and light european and british singles and twins to compete in "club" or "clubman" races where you were required to sue the stock bar clamps and foot peg mounts. They were not designed for bik fat japanese fours that weigh as much as your aunt millie after her fourth helping at thanksgiving dinner.

As they are a racing part (that was designed for a bike 1/2 the weight of a cb750) they do not have the leverage of most other bars. Low speed handling and confort was of little consequence to people racing on a track for less than 30 minutes at a time. They were meant to steer a little heavy because a) the bikes they were on were light twitchy machines, b) in racing it is more about how smooth you are than fast jerkey movements. Clip-ons have almost the same issue, but suffer more from not being a larger lever like a conventional tube handlebar. Also if you think about their shape, while it allows you to tuck (uncomfortably), the shape is a lever with a displaced fulcrum , your leverage force is being applied inches infront of the fulcrum instead of right on top of the pivot like a convential bar.

considering you have the bike with a clubman and no rearsets you ahve given 0 thought to the bike's ergonomics. In racing, unless you are looking at a production class with restrictive rules, you won't see stock pegs and clubman bars. Part of the force being applied to the bars comes from your body, specifically your core. with stock pegs half your body is tring to sit upright while the other half is bending forward. You are actually fighting against your own leverage, where as with rearsets an pressure you exert on your left foot can translate to your left arm a lot easier because your body isn't fighting itself (if you foot is parallel to the ground and you step down your butt comes off the seat, if your foot is 45 degrees to the ground and you step down your body moves forward). This won't help you with the heavy, slow steering feeling but it won't wear you out as fast riding the thing. It is a hard thing to explain in type so if you aren't getting it let me know.

When superbike racing became popular in the mid-70s, the bar design that floated to the top was the "superbike" bend bar. It gave riders the leverage to push these heavy japanese fours around with much greater ease and less fatigue. These are the same bend as stock "euro" bars (might be slightly shorter rise) and go by many different names in the industry. You see a similar bend on motocross bikes as well (renthal makes a nice bar that if you remove the brace is otherwise the same). Daytona bars (true ones anyway) are superbike bars with more pull back to allow the rider to tuck for the back straight at daytona. Look at old pics of Eddie Lawson, Freddie Spencer, Wes Cooley, or Wayne Rainey and you will see them all grabbing big honking superbike bars wrestling giant dinosaur kz1000s, GS1000s, cb750s, etc.
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Re: low drop cafe bars
« Reply #54 on: April 18, 2014, 08:05:47 AM »
To each their own. Just because you want to run a set of $25 clubmans,you are not forced to run some $300+ rear sets. Just putting it out there. BM's fit nicely.
This is bad advice. really it is, you just aren't saavy enough to realize it yet.


if that isn't enough motivation, the look of clubmans and stock pegs just screams "i have no idea what I am doing and I shouldn't be allowed around tools".

Do you just despise anyone who's opinion differs from yours?

1- It's not bad advice. It's my opinion. Which I made clear.
2- After 10k miles with my setup I am indeed savvy enough to know what I'm talking about.
3- If you don't like the look,don't do it. But be a courteous enough individual to accept the fact that not everyone shares your exact same tastes in style.
4- And this is slightly off topic. But could you please just avoid me in the future? I really am doing my best to contain myself at this point. I don't know if you think I've wronged you in a past life or whatever,but I'm really sick of your attitude. Your attitude of: "YOU don't agree with ME which makes YOU WRONG and STUPID!!"

If you could do this I would greatly appreciate it. Of course,if I could be of assistance to you in anyway I'd be glad to help. Otherwise I have enough drama in my real life without adding interweb drama from you. Thank you and have a nice day.


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Re: low drop cafe bars
« Reply #55 on: April 18, 2014, 08:11:33 AM »
Clamp-on (i.e., clubman) bars are the only way for me to drive long distances. There might be people out there who drive longer distances than me, but I have not met them yet personally although I am sure they are out there. I took my K7 across the Sahara Dessert with (adjustable and forward) clamp-on bars, sitting on a Gaman sport seat. My other "touring bike" is a BMW S1000RR (38,000 miles on it). I never sat more comfortable. I am 6'2" at 250lbs. I only take that bike out of the garage to do long-distance driving (passes)--never done anything other than that with the bike. My travel days are at least 12-13 hours--torn hamstring, shot shoulders and all. At times, I drive through the night and some more the following day.
Of course, I also frequently see the inside of a gym for the past 35 years, and don't fall into the increasingly popular pussy category. But I cannot handle soft seats or an upright position--not to mention how that must feel on the Autobahn at speeds well above 150mph.
I tried the Raask rear set for my Honda. I would have to cut my legs off below the knee to make them work for me.
Point is: everyone is different and has different needs.  Clubmans or a similar bar (Laverda's Brevettato) is the way to go for me. Besides, these old Hondas, with the two separate, round instruments, look awesome with them.

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Re: low drop cafe bars
« Reply #56 on: April 18, 2014, 08:27:39 AM »

Shiney Ribs don't waste your time.
Some people cannot be reached.
They do not want to hear any other ideas.

I am fully willing to listen to any other ideas that are rooted in science and real life experience. If the counter to my argument (based on a life involved in everything from airplane to motorcycle racing) is one predicated on style and taste then it lacks merit and has no more substance than a fart in a stiff breeze. The bottom line is that motorcycles are not one size fits all and ideally you should try to setup the bike to your physical dimensions as best you can. Saying "to each their own" is meangless and claiming it is a matter of "taste" that's just ignoring a little something called physics. You want to reach me make a sound argument based on basic principles of science, waving your hand and dismissing it as taste just means you aren't smart enough to understand the importance of the subject in the first place.
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Re: low drop cafe bars
« Reply #57 on: April 18, 2014, 08:52:28 AM »

I don't despise anyone. If you feel that way that's your interpretation and your problem.

1. It is your opinion that you are offering as advice, and it IS bad advice to give some one. Just because it is opinion doesn't mean it doesn't have merit independent its dubious origin, it is the substance of what it is saying or the actions it leads to that give it merit. Telling someone it is ok to do something incorrectly that will eventually "to each their own" isn't something that should be encouraged, and is bad advice. In motorcycles there are sometimes a clear right way and a wrong way. What you are saying is it is ok to do it the wrong way because you personally haven't felt any ill effects yet, but sometimes there are things you can learn pretty quickly and sometimes there are things that take years and even decades to hurt you and you just have to take someone else's word for it.  If you don't believe me, go ask all those old timers who rode hardtails back in the day and ask them about their backs and why they limp.

2. Gee, I guess your 10K miles is totally equal to my hundreds of thousands, or the time I spent working for a race team, or all the old timers who have given me advice over the years. I can tell you there is plenty of stuff in motor cycles I am not saavy about at all, I get schooled all the time by those who have spent more time problem solving than I have. You know what, it is the nature of the beast - a friend of mine's father once said to me "by the time you get to know enough about motorcycling, your life is almost over and you will need another lifetime to use all of it building and riding. My point is this, saavy isn't how many miles you ride, it is how much time you spend problem solving and how well you take advice given to you by others and how you apply all of that. As to the subject of bike ergonomics your comments clearly give you away as not being saavy to this issue since you don't even have your own bike setup properly. It is ok to be wrong and make mistakes so long as they are new mistakes. If someone is telling you something is a mistake, maybe you should listen instead of taking things so personally, esp when that person has no vested interest in you, or your motorcycle.

3. I threw the look thing in at the end as a joke since all the cafe kids these days seem to care about is the look. If you couldn't see that as the humorous part of it then you really aren't saavy.

4. If you think I am targeting you personally, then maybe you should seek professional help. I have no idea who you are and honestly I rarely read who is commenting, just what they say. avoid you? I wasn't making any kind of effort toward you in the first place and I sure as hell am not going to start acknowledging you now. Maybe some of the things you say are just dubious? maybe you are actually giving bad advice to people and you just don't realize it. If one of the goals of this forum is to learn, sometimes part of that learning process is someone who has spent more time on this issue than you telling you you are wrong. Courtesy has nothing to do with it. In fact, I don't see how I am being discourteous by taking an interest in applying my knowledge and experience so you end up with a better bike and a better way of thinking with nothing coming back to me. you don't like what I say, nobody is forcing you to read it. If you think I am wrong and you have something more than just "personal" experience to back it up with I am all ears and willing to at the very least listen. Sometimes there is just a right and a wrong way to do things, we are all constrained by the laws of nature and physics afterall.   

You sir are pretty arrogant. You are the guy who has rode/raced everything, talked to Jesus himself and probably given him some good advice along the way. It's people like you that scare away a lot of first timers on forums by giving them your most knowledgeable opinion and talking down to them if they question your ultimate wisdom. You seem to like the sound of your own  words more than actually helping someone make an informed decision, many people, myself included want to experience things for themselves. Sometimes I get it right and others I don't, it's all part of the wonderful journey of motorcycling.

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Re: low drop cafe bars
« Reply #58 on: April 18, 2014, 09:41:40 AM »
If given the choice of arrogance or ignorance....well let's just say I do not prefer ignorance. I speak what I know, if you read it as arrogant than maybe that has as much to do with your own insecurities as it does my perceived swagger. I am not responsible for your insecurities or how they prevent you from learning, I am only responsible for information I dispense. If I am Wrong I glady admit it, I I constantly labor under the thought that I have more to learn than I know. But I don't entertain illogical or stupid and things dismissing something that pro race teams spend lots of money on, that oems hire engineers to solve for, and that medical science specifically has a branch to treat injuries related to as "a matter if taste" is both.

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Re: low drop cafe bars
« Reply #59 on: April 18, 2014, 10:08:09 AM »
If given the choice of arrogance or ignorance....well let's just say I do not prefer ignorance. I speak what I know, if you read it as arrogant than maybe that has as much to do with your own insecurities as it does my perceived swagger. I am not responsible for your insecurities or how they prevent you from learning, I am only responsible for information I dispense. If I am Wrong I glady admit it, I I constantly labor under the thought that I have more to learn than I know. But I don't entertain illogical or stupid and things dismissing something that pro race teams spend lots of money on, that oems hire engineers to solve for, and that medical science specifically has a branch to treat injuries related to as "a matter if taste" is both.


Insecurities!!? It's not me who has to blather on and on to prove someone else as stupid or wrong, nice use of the word savvy BTW, why don't you just say ignorant or not too bright. Arrogance is usually one of the biggest tells of insecurity. I actually don't totally disagree with what you say, it's more how you say it. And on a 40 year old bike there's plenty of room for style and function, your comfort is not my comfort.
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Re: low drop cafe bars
« Reply #60 on: April 18, 2014, 10:28:46 AM »
Let's be clear about something - all internet "advice" is dubious including this site. The best thing you can take away is a new way of thinking about the problem. In this case the thread was ressurected by someone asking about the feel of the bars and hopefully the thing he takes away from any of it is that he stops think of his bars as a style choice and starts thinking of them as levers bound by the laws of physics, and how to maximize his leverage for the feel he is looking for through his body position.

the fact that all you want to do is call me arrogant instead of contribute to the discussion at hand is pointless. Feel free to pm me if you want to continue to call me names and not be helpful - then it will at least be between us instead of being useless filler for this thread.
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« Reply #61 on: April 18, 2014, 01:29:36 PM »
Why the hell do people come to a forum asking or looking for advice, get an answer from someone who has more experience than them, then get pissed about it?  What happens when you are scolded by your father and you try and talk back?...doesn't really work very good does it?
     I had clubmans on my bike with stock footpegs for a few seasons.  I made it work ok by sliding as far forward on the seat as possible and putting the balls of my feet on the pegs instead of the arches.  Then I managed to scrounge up some rearsets and it was a revelation, so I rode like that for a couple years.  Then I got some more bikes that didn't have clubmans and realized that clubmans really just plain suck.  No two ways about it.   Geeto is just trying to save you years of chasing your tail and missing out on the most enjoyable aspect of motorcycling.  If you think he is too rude about it?...#$%*ing whaaaa.   
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« Reply #62 on: April 18, 2014, 02:40:31 PM »
Why the hell do people come to a forum asking or looking for advice, get an answer from someone who has more experience than them, then get pissed about it?  What happens when you are scolded by your father and you try and talk back?...doesn't really work very good does it?
     I had clubmans on my bike with stock footpegs for a few seasons.  I made it work ok by sliding as far forward on the seat as possible and putting the balls of my feet on the pegs instead of the arches.  Then I managed to scrounge up some rearsets and it was a revelation, so I rode like that for a couple years.  Then I got some more bikes that didn't have clubmans and realized that clubmans really just plain suck.  No two ways about it.   Geeto is just trying to save you years of chasing your tail and missing out on the most enjoyable aspect of motorcycling.  If you think he is too rude about it?...#$%*ing whaaaa.

Exactly Sean, I tried to tell someone a couple of years ago about how useless clubmans are, they are a fad for most simply because of the name and everyone else has them so they must be good. The guy in question was a noob and ended having a stack, I won't say it was caused by the clubmans but after much discussion about said bars he chose to change them and one of his first comments was how much more ridable and in control he felt.. Too many hipster noobies looking to get butt hurt in threads like these, they can't get it into their thick heads that motorcycles aren't a fashion statement, and common sense should be used first...
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Re: low drop cafe bars
« Reply #63 on: April 18, 2014, 02:44:05 PM »
If you think he is too rude about it?...#$%*ing whaaaa.   

No sweat off my back, you don't have to be rude or arrogant to give some advice, I just have a problem with people who seem to think they know the answers and every other opinion is from somebody less "savvy". I hang on quite a few forums and there are always the guys like this and they turn off a lot of newcomers just to puff themselves up. It's usually a small clique of guys who like to blow sunshine up each others asses.

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« Reply #64 on: April 18, 2014, 02:54:18 PM »
If you think he is too rude about it?...#$%*ing whaaaa.   

No sweat off my back, you don't have to be rude or arrogant to give some advice, I just have a problem with people who seem to think they know the answers and every other opinion is from somebody less "savvy". I hang on quite a few forums and there are always the guys like this and they turn off a lot of newcomers just to puff themselves up. It's usually a small clique of guys who like to blow sunshine up each others asses.

Thats a 2 way street mate, in my experience some people just don't want to hear the answers the question is looking  for and just can't wait to chime in with butt hurt whinging, some just seem to not like to listen to guys with over 40 years of experience  either, usually young and full of themselves, I suppose it takes all types to make a community so thats fine with me. Geeto was originally correct, clubmans, for most, put the ergonomics out, they killed my back and wrists and most importantly, restricted overall control of the bike. As i've said earlier, i much prefer superbike bars but really the stock pegs should be moved back a little to balance the seating position, i'm 150ish pounds and 5'10", i've also owned around 40 motorcycles of all shapes and sizes, if you don't like my opinion or don't want to hear it don't look for advice on the internet, if you expect everyone to behave in a way that suits you,  you are living in la la land...
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Re: low drop cafe bars
« Reply #65 on: April 18, 2014, 03:35:33 PM »
If you think he is too rude about it?...#$%*ing whaaaa.   

No sweat off my back, you don't have to be rude or arrogant to give some advice, I just have a problem with people who seem to think they know the answers and every other opinion is from somebody less "savvy". I hang on quite a few forums and there are always the guys like this and they turn off a lot of newcomers just to puff themselves up. It's usually a small clique of guys who like to blow sunshine up each others asses.

Thats a 2 way street mate, in my experience some people just don't want to hear the answers the question is looking  for and just can't wait to chime in with butt hurt whinging, some just seem to not like to listen to guys with over 40 years of experience  either, usually young and full of themselves, I suppose it takes all types to make a community so thats fine with me. Geeto was originally correct, clubmans, for most, put the ergonomics out, they killed my back and wrists and most importantly, restricted overall control of the bike. As i've said earlier, i much prefer superbike bars but really the stock pegs should be moved back a little to balance the seating position, i'm 150ish pounds and 5'10", i've also owned around 40 motorcycles of all shapes and sizes, if you don't like my opinion or don't want to hear it don't look for advice on the internet, if you expect everyone to behave in a way that suits you,  you are living in la la land...

I've just seen good forums turn into nothing because of a few people with no tolerance newbs or even people with differing opinions. I have a set of Tomassellis and will have custom rear sets also, this does not make me right or wrong, if I was going for comfort, I'd have higher bars, if I didn't have play money, I'd have $25 bike masters. I'm going for a specific look on a bike that will not be ridden a whole lot.

While it's true some people just won't listen, did you ever think that sometimes it's the way something is said. Now if they are arguing something completely bat #$%* wrong (dangerous) then yes by all means set them straight. Cafe bars have been used for 50 years, they have a lot of disadvantages, comfort probably the biggest but it is not wrong to use them and it doesn't make anyone less savvy.
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Re: low drop cafe bars
« Reply #66 on: April 18, 2014, 04:05:45 PM »

Well i figured i am going to use clubman bars on my K4 build..But i have seen a few types..anyone know of any low drop clubmans that will fit the cb 750 ??  Or.....What is everyone  else using That is the most popular brand/type?

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I'm not sure if you've mentioned your height, but I am 5'5" and have clip ons and stock pegs. (But I've only literally done about 50 miles total in this position. I'm a new rider) It's been pretty comfortable so far and I'm 30 but I stay in shape. The '78 550k tank is pretty big so I have to really sit choked up on the tank, as it were. On the stock pegs my knees reach the back of the tank. If my feet were an inch or two father back I'd feel like I was really laying on top of the tank and my knees would be below the tank. I'm still thinking of rear sets but they're expensive.

This probably doesn't help but I just wanted to chime in.


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« Reply #67 on: April 18, 2014, 04:22:49 PM »
I can see the attraction of the cafe look, however my personal experience of Clubmans (Ace bars over here) has not been good and I wouldn't use them now. Having ridden for 35 years during which time I must have had 30-40 bikes, I've come to appreciate the importance of ergonomics and for me it is essential that my riding position is both ergonomically correct and comfortable if I want to continue to enjoy my riding for years to come.

If you forsake comfort you forsake safety both for yourself and for any others unfortunate enough to be in your path. You cannot control a bike properly if you have a stance like someone being slammed in the guts with a wrecking ball, IMO.
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Re: low drop cafe bars
« Reply #68 on: April 18, 2014, 10:02:44 PM »
I just don't get this Clubmans witch hunt. They work for me
1+ I've had Clubmans on my bike for over 3 decades. The attached pic was taken at 70 MPH; does it look like there is any pressure on my wrists? And for the record, my feet on on the passenger pegs. ;)
I guess I should bump this post after the renewed Witch Hunt. ::)
Clubmans work well for me, especially at speeds of 50 MPH and above, and over considerable distances. The clap-trap about leverage is just that, in my opinion: the leverage is determined by the width of the bars, Not the height or angle.
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« Reply #69 on: April 18, 2014, 10:14:23 PM »
If you forsake comfort you forsake safety both for yourself and for any others unfortunate enough to be in your path. You cannot control a bike properly if you have a stance like someone being slammed in the guts with a wrecking ball, IMO.

UMMM, so every sport bike for the last 30 years has had it wrong and is unsafe.
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« Reply #70 on: April 18, 2014, 11:43:59 PM »
Im not gonna get into the argument because i cant be bothered to read through all the poop throwing. but i will add my .02 Cents regarding setup, ergonomics and position especially if your new to it all and dont know what your doing. On my first bike i looked at ergo's as "that looks about right, cut weld...." now i have a bike that is OK but its one of those things where id like to move things around and have boxed myself into a corner that i cant correct without a major reworking.


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Re: low drop cafe bars
« Reply #71 on: April 19, 2014, 01:08:12 AM »
If you forsake comfort you forsake safety both for yourself and for any others unfortunate enough to be in your path. You cannot control a bike properly if you have a stance like someone being slammed in the guts with a wrecking ball, IMO.

UMMM, so every sport bike for the last 30 years has had it wrong and is unsafe.

Er no, that's not what I said. If it is ergonomically correct for you then fine. You don't see many sportsbikes where the rider is sitting in the way I suggested. I tried to add some personal experience to the debate, which was what was being asked for if I'm not mistaken. It was 50-50 whether I would contribute at all to this one, don't want to join the bun-fight thanks.
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Re: low drop cafe bars
« Reply #72 on: April 19, 2014, 04:42:32 AM »
clap-trap about leverage is just that, in my opinion: the leverage is determined by the width of the bars, Not the height or angle.

So by your logic and understanding of physics if you move the fulcrum of a see saw off center it should still take the same amount of force on each side to operate it as normal provided the total length of the see saw didn't change. Think about it for a second and see if that makes sense to you.
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Re: low drop cafe bars
« Reply #73 on: April 19, 2014, 06:42:31 AM »
clap-trap about leverage is just that, in my opinion: the leverage is determined by the width of the bars, Not the height or angle.

So by your logic and understanding of physics if you move the fulcrum of a see saw off center it should still take the same amount of force on each side to operate it as normal provided the total length of the see saw didn't change. Think about it for a second and see if that makes sense to you.

I understand what you are trying to say but you have it wrong. When you change bars you do not change the center of the fulcrum, angle has nothing to do with anything, it is length that matters or in this case, diameter or radius of an arc. So no your scenario doesn't make sense to me. If you lengthen one side of the seesaw, you have more leverage on the longer side, angle of the bar has nothing to do with it as long as the length of the arc stays the same. When you change the length of the bars you are not changing the center of the fulcrum, unless of course you mount them off center.

While that is true, moving the bars lower may be not be biomechanically efficient as you are not using the large core muscles as much, but even in an emergency push steering still works. Unless you are full out racing, this is more a comfort issue than anything.
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Re: low drop cafe bars
« Reply #74 on: April 19, 2014, 07:12:35 AM »
I have to add that rearsets are more of a ground clearance, weight distribution than a comfort thing although they may allow some adjustability. I'm going to use them as more of an appearance option, stock foot position actually allows you to use the large muscles of the legs to offset some of the forward force of the clubmans. I've always preferred superbike bars myself, but as stated I'm going for a look. This may not be the most comfortable bike but I have no plans to ride it long distance.

All I was saying in the first place is this does not make anyone "unsavvy" and I know my way around tools/garages as well as anyone.
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