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Offline gregripko

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Cb550 fuse blowing all the sudden?
« on: June 09, 2013, 11:56:56 AM »
Of the 3 glass fuses on my bike, the right 15A fuse keeps blowing today. I replaced it 3 times and 2 out of the 3 blew. Noticed the other 2 fuses (5A and 7A) had a 7.5A and a 9A in their place. Is this normal? Any suggestions why my 15A fuse is blowing? Any suggestions on how to fix this issue and make it more reliable?

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Re: Cb550 fuse blowing all the sudden?
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2013, 01:13:30 PM »
when it blows, is it hot?

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Re: Cb550 fuse blowing all the sudden?
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2013, 01:20:29 PM »
Could be it is overheating due to the resistance from the corrosion (transparent or not) between fuse clip and fuse.

Where is it "blowing"?  In the center of the link is an over current.  Near the end caps is from external overheating.
Some have even melted the solder on the back of the fuse block.

The clip must grab very hard, as in, need a tool to extract it.
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Re: Cb550 fuse blowing all the sudden?
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2013, 02:29:10 PM »
Yeah it's hot and it's in the dead center of fuse... I could slide the fuse out with my finger

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Re: Cb550 fuse blowing all the sudden?
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2013, 03:22:15 PM »
Those are contrary indications.   You may have more than one problem there.  Rework, refurbish the fuse holder, or replace with new.
If it still blows, then you have an intermittent short.  Perhaps where the harness wraps the headstock.
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Re: Cb550 fuse blowing all the sudden?
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2013, 03:30:20 PM »
If  you put a test light across the fuse (with the fuse out), start pulling loads one at a time till the light goes out, then service whatever accessory is the culprit. Start by unplugging the headlight. If the fuse doesn't pop the filament probably fell across 2 terminals. Happened to me once and had me head scratching for awhile.
If it lights up with the key off, you have a dead short on a wire to t he keyswitch. I have a feeling you're gonna  find a light fixture is a problem. Also, clean the fuse contacts really well.

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Re: Cb550 fuse blowing all the sudden?
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2013, 04:04:37 PM »
It pops when I have the turn signal on over an extended period of time and then the engine just dies

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Re: Cb550 fuse blowing all the sudden?
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2013, 04:10:05 PM »
Either side, or only 1 side?

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Re: Cb550 fuse blowing all the sudden?
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2013, 04:12:50 PM »
Both

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Re: Cb550 fuse blowing all the sudden?
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2013, 04:14:39 PM »
Have you changed them out for aftermarket ones?

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Re: Cb550 fuse blowing all the sudden?
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2013, 04:52:12 PM »
They're aftermarket but I've been running fine for about a month until now

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Re: Cb550 fuse blowing all the sudden?
« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2013, 05:36:07 PM »
go through them. Everything pulls through that mains fuse. If it were merely a dirty fuse holder (and that happens a lot) it would blow from the headlight, as that is the biggest current draw, and always on. Since it's both sides of signals, you have to get through the whole circuit to the switch, but probably not beyond it.. Look for crimps, or a bare connection at the flasher.. which I'm certain you had to change to use the cheap lights.

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Re: Cb550 fuse blowing all the sudden?
« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2013, 06:40:06 PM »
Cleaned the main fuse holder and road for 10-15 min with signals, braking, and even high beams and no fuse blown.... Used a dremel sanding bit (by hand) to clean and also crimped the main fuse holder a little tighter. Before it would slide down through the arms with a light push of the finger.... Idk how tight they normally are but so far so good....

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Re: Cb550 fuse blowing all the sudden?
« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2013, 07:15:52 PM »
for piece of mind, the hondaman replacement fuse block is a real bargain. never have to think about it again.

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Re: Cb550 fuse blowing all the sudden?
« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2013, 07:16:20 PM »
(well, not for another 40 years or so)

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Re: Cb550 fuse blowing all the sudden?
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2013, 08:22:11 PM »
for piece of mind, the hondaman replacement fuse block is a real bargain. never have to think about it again.

+1--best upgrade--no problems since I switched it over.
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Re: Cb550 fuse blowing all the sudden?
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2013, 10:59:37 PM »
I'll probably pick this up.... easy replacement and hopefully peace of mind

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Re: Cb550 fuse blowing all the sudden?
« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2013, 12:17:54 AM »
I have original fuse blocks that are still working since the mid 70s.  With a cleaning/polishing every 10 years or so, they continue to work well.   So, for me they have a proven track record.
I have have no long term track record for a replacement model.

Anyway, if you need to spend money to gain confidence, then of course do.  But, I don't feel at all handicapped by a well maintained original.

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Re: Cb550 fuse blowing all the sudden?
« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2013, 12:43:50 AM »
Two , sounds like this bike is new for him. Hard to say if due dillligence was ever done on the fuse block.  Frankly , in this case, the blade fuse conversion is faster and cheaper than trying to fix an unknown quantity. And if you make more than $12/hr , you're gonna come out way ahead just changing the rusty old thing out.

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Re: Cb550 fuse blowing all the sudden?
« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2013, 12:46:29 AM »
And,  not for nothing , but AGC fuses are a lot less common than they used to be when you need a spare in a pinch.

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Re: Cb550 fuse blowing all the sudden?
« Reply #20 on: June 10, 2013, 12:52:54 AM »
My fear is potentially riding at night and a 30+ year old fuse box or fuses decide to quit on me through a turn and I drive off the side of the road...or I'm in a gridlock on the freeway and bike dies before I can get over.... Seems like modern auto fuse boxes hold fuses better than those flimsy metal arms as well and have more accessible/replaceable fuses. It was a sad moment when my bike literally died today on the side of the road because of a small 1 inch glass tube popping....

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Re: Cb550 fuse blowing all the sudden?
« Reply #21 on: June 10, 2013, 01:12:08 AM »
on the 500s with a single inline fuse i just do this.

stupid unreliable photobucket wont link?mightve blown a fuse?
ahh,finally.
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Re: Cb550 fuse blowing all the sudden?
« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2013, 09:42:43 AM »
Hey guys, you are fully entitled to spend your money wherever it makes you feel the best.  I've no problem with that.  My goal is to help individuals save or spend money based on knowledge rather than mysticism.

Apart from some slight surface oxidation that ought to have attention every 10-15 years or so, the metals don't change their electrical properties in anyone's lifetime.  Neither does glass.   The same can be said of the type of plastic the block is made from provided UV light is blocked from getting to it.  Blade fuse plastic suffers from similar deterioration in UV, btw.  Anyway, I can't identify what portion of the fuse block assembly is prone to sudden catastrophic calamity simply due to age factors.  Certainly, if it was attacked by a rampaging rhinoceros, it might be a better decision to replace, rather than repair.  ;D

Knowing what I know about the physical properties of the unit, I have no fear of the fuse, or the fuse block.  I have original examples still working fine.  Just because it is old, does not make it bad.  I'm a little surprised that needed to be stated in a forum dedicated to old machines.  :-\

I know our culture is moving fast to a throw away world without regard for any intrinsic value an item may have.  But so far, keeping old stuff in service is still an option and is often far cheaper (or enjoyable).
I wonder, how is keeping a 30 year old bike in operation not a hobby?  And how many really spend time in their hobby noting it is costing them $12 per hour?  "Honey, punch me in, I'm going out to the garage for hobbytime, luv ya"!
If tinkering with your antique is such an awful and fearsome chore, why exactly do we bother with them at all, and simply toss the whole thing?  I kind of enjoy making things work that others have given up on.  And, that's part of the allure of the SOHC4, for me.
Perhaps replace-rather-than-repair has to do with the perceived mystical nature of things electrical.  We have been advert and market bombarded with new-is-better ideology.

I don't really care how much of your machine you replace or how much you wish to spend on it.  I'm only trying to help readers make their antique work as well as new, which imo, was pretty darn good for the price point to which is was made.  I just thought that learning to fix rather than replace was part of the goal, and more likely to make any "highway strandings" short lived to non-existent.

Greg,
You also have a 30 year old wire harness, 30 year old wire connectors.  In fact, most of the machine is 30 years old.  You might ask yourself how much of it will you replace before you feel better about it?  Is the fuse box really enough to restore total confidence?

Best of luck toward whatever you decide.  Really! 

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Re: Cb550 fuse blowing all the sudden?
« Reply #23 on: June 10, 2013, 09:59:57 AM »
pull a few bikes out of barns in the northeast and watch a fuse clip crumble when you attempt to clean it. you live in the promised land, where nothing ever rusts. I can assure you, not everything can be refurbished. Wires are covered in plastic..
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Re: Cb550 fuse blowing all the sudden?
« Reply #24 on: June 10, 2013, 01:05:36 PM »
I changed out to Hondaman's plug and play fuse box because I too was stranded due to my fuse blowing and low and behold I did not have a spare and they are hard to get in a pinch.  Figured it seemed like the best thing to do for my peace of mind (now I have way too many fuses and will probably never need another).  Generally I fix, but in this instance I replaced... ;)
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