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Re: I believe the CB450 is the most impressive bike ever made.
« Reply #75 on: June 25, 2013, 12:19:59 pm »
Honda was lying in their performance sheet then?

Bill, I'm planning on making a resto as nice as your CB450. I like the silver and black.

Thinking that I'm going to have to strip and paint the fenders because the chrome is a bit worn.

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Re: I believe the CB450 is the most impressive bike ever made.
« Reply #76 on: June 25, 2013, 01:47:59 pm »
Honda, along with lots of others, has been know to be....optimistic.

Unless all the testing criteria is standardised and exactly the same, you'll have variation.

Standard temp, standard atmosphere, specific dyno type all affect what the outcome will be.

Power on the road is measured at the rear wheel on a rolling dyno.

Generally this is less than quoted by the manufacturer.........
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Re: I believe the CB450 is the most impressive bike ever made.
« Reply #77 on: June 25, 2013, 02:29:59 pm »
So the CB750 would be less than 67 then. :)


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Re: I believe the CB450 is the most impressive bike ever made.
« Reply #78 on: June 25, 2013, 02:45:13 pm »
So the CB750 would be less than 67 then. :)



Some of them......definitely.

They are still faster than a 450 twin tho :)

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Re: I believe the CB450 is the most impressive bike ever made.
« Reply #79 on: June 25, 2013, 03:09:29 pm »
Mfg tends to list hp at crank...perfectly fine with 2 motors racing across a bench..
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« Reply #80 on: June 25, 2013, 04:43:56 pm »
They are still faster than a 450 twin tho :)

Faster? Yes.

Quicker? TBD. I still want 0-60 and 1/8 mile times posted for each bike....:)  8)

A twin will have more torque than a quad, that's just inherent in the design. Torque is what gets you there quick. HP is what gets you above and away fast.

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« Reply #81 on: June 25, 2013, 04:51:38 pm »
Honda specs say the 1/8 mile for the CB450 (on old technology tires) is 8.73 (8.42 for the CL).

Here's a '78 CB750 producing 9.1 seconds:

2008 Hyosung GV650 vs 1978 Honda CB750k Drag Race 1

That's the only 1/8 mile performance time that I've seen for the CB750. Who knows if it's modified, too.

kghost, maybe it's time for a rebuild for your CB450....
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Re: I believe the CB450 is the most impressive bike ever made.
« Reply #82 on: June 25, 2013, 05:26:13 pm »
Honda was lying in their performance sheet then?

Well ........ yeah.
I'd love for someone to put their 450 on a dyno and prove me wrong, but I think that 35 hp estimate is good.

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Re: I believe the CB450 is the most impressive bike ever made.
« Reply #83 on: June 25, 2013, 05:45:56 pm »
They are still faster than a 450 twin tho :)

Faster? Yes.

Quicker? TBD. I still want 0-60 and 1/8 mile times posted for each bike....:)  8)

A twin will have more torque than a quad, that's just inherent in the design. Torque is what gets you there quick. HP is what gets you above and away fast.

I think you have that backwards.......torque is what gets you away.

Doesn't matter as torque is how horsepower is calculated.

A 4 is not necessarily less torquey than a twin.....it's a function of design.

Such as rpm, bore vs stroke, cylinder head/valve design, intake and exhaust design etc

You get the best launches drag racing by picking the appropriate rpm and then slipping the clutch to prevent wheelie and wheel spin.
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« Reply #84 on: June 25, 2013, 10:09:42 pm »
You don't see many quads popping wheelies....do you?

What's your compression readings on your CB450?

There is no way that you're not convinced that the CB450 is a quick as hell bike with strong readings. I was getting some headlash with a highway sprocket and tired compression readings at 130PSI (after valve adjustment). Btw, valve adjustment raised my PSI by 20 PSI. They were way too tight.
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Re: I believe the CB450 is the most impressive bike ever made.
« Reply #85 on: June 25, 2013, 10:40:23 pm »
Fender, if i didn't know any better i would say that the 450 is the first bike you've ever owned... :o  Mine was a very low mileage Blue CB450 K2, my K1 750 ate it for breakfast {owned both at the same time}. The 450 is a nice little bike but they are not what i would call fast, actually, neither is a stock 750.... 8)   You need to you tube "Quads doing wheelies".... Here's an example. {although i think you meant 4, not quad}

the greatest quad wheelie on youtube
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Re: I believe the CB450 is the most impressive bike ever made.
« Reply #86 on: June 25, 2013, 11:36:12 pm »
This is my "quad".......

As in...I built it, I own it, it lives in my shop.......

http://youtu.be/ycSy1TT3mj4
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Re: I believe the CB450 is the most impressive bike ever made.
« Reply #87 on: June 26, 2013, 12:03:17 am »
This is my "quad".......

As in...I built it, I own it, it lives in my shop.......

http://youtu.be/ycSy1TT3mj4

Must be a US thing Tim..?  Aussie version, "I built it, I own it , this my fcuking bike".... ;D

Translate this for me then...?   "You don't see many quads popping wheelies....do you?"
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Re: I believe the CB450 is the most impressive bike ever made.
« Reply #88 on: June 26, 2013, 12:42:16 am »
He keeps thinking the 450 is faster......how'm I supposed to translate what he's thinking?

Logic and reason ain't working............
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Re: I believe the CB450 is the most impressive bike ever made.
« Reply #89 on: June 26, 2013, 01:33:30 am »
I read the title to this thread and fell about laughing. The 450 was a half decent bike, but it was fragile at best, and was one hell of a vibrator.

Seriously, if you thought an old Harley shovel vibrates, wait until you get your 450 going mate, so make sure you install some of those spongy grips and a "cruise control" thingy if you intend to ride it any distance, so you can take your hand off the throttle and shake the pins and needles out.

Talk about "Rose Coloured Glasses", I can think of at least 100 bikes I'd rather have than a CB450! Cheers, Terry. ;D
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Re: I believe the CB450 is the most impressive bike ever made.
« Reply #90 on: June 26, 2013, 03:30:33 am »
Can't agree with your subject title Fender, but I think most will agree that the CB 450 is a good looking bike 8) Here is a fine example.

1970 CB750KO
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1973 CB350G- project bike
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Re: I believe the CB450 is the most impressive bike ever made.
« Reply #91 on: June 26, 2013, 06:16:42 am »
i think the 500t are a better bike then the 450 ;)... ;D ;D ;D...and faster..
i just hate that seat..
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« Reply #92 on: June 26, 2013, 07:23:35 am »
Oooh, more fuel in the fire!
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Re: I believe the CB450 is the most impressive bike ever made.
« Reply #93 on: June 26, 2013, 08:23:10 am »
I read the title to this thread and fell about laughing. The 450 was a half decent bike, but it was fragile at best, and was one hell of a vibrator.

Seriously, if you thought an old Harley shovel vibrates, wait until you get your 450 going mate, so make sure you install some of those spongy grips and a "cruise control" thingy if you intend to ride it any distance, so you can take your hand off the throttle and shake the pins and needles out.

Talk about "Rose Coloured Glasses", I can think of at least 100 bikes I'd rather have than a CB450! Cheers, Terry. ;D

What do you think about this Bill? Do you find that your 450 is "fragile at best" and a vibrating machine?

I certainly didn't get that impression before my tear down.

I had hand numbness on my CB750 taking it on a 200 mile road trip. I wasn't using exactly the OEM handle grips, but they're close...

The CB500 is one ugly bike. I wouldn't even take one for free.

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« Reply #94 on: June 26, 2013, 08:27:19 am »
We threw a 500t away, kept the forx though..
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Re: I believe the CB450 is the most impressive bike ever made.
« Reply #95 on: June 26, 2013, 09:25:02 am »
one day i have the last in world..and  then sell it... ;)
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Re: I believe the CB450 is the most impressive bike ever made.
« Reply #96 on: June 26, 2013, 09:38:43 am »
What do you think about this Bill? Do you find that your 450 is "fragile at best" and a vibrating machine?


When new, 450's were pretty durable, at least as good as a 350. I've owned a couple that saw 100,000 miles each (I did take pretty good care of them). For some years my only mode of transport was a pair of K2's.
But any 40+ year old bike is fragile. I doubt that many of us here take off on rides for any distance without a cell phone and a bag of tools.
I sure don't.........
And all the bikes of that era buzzed you pretty good with vibration. The big fours were not as bad in that respect, but at certain rpm they can buzz you pretty good too. The small 350/400 fours always struck me as a bit smoother than the bigger fours, but they were generally no match for a good 450 performance-wise.
The real exception to that smoothness issue was Gold Wings, wonderful bikes - pretty fast too. Even the early ones will break "the ton".

A good 450 might get a  hole shot on a CB750, but overall it would be no contest, the 750 would have no problem in a straight line. A CB750 K0 was the first bike I ever got well over an honest 100 mph on ('69, Arizona, ~5,000 feet, clocked at 107 by a state trooper buddy). Scared the bejeezus out of me, it was pretty snaky above 90, no steering damper to tighten up like on early 450's.
The 750 K0's were a bit faster than the later ones.
A tight, slower road race course would be a different issue.
On the other hand, at least my 450's had few problems with 500/550 fours in almost any venue.
I don't do stuff like that anymore (too old), but I suspect my current 450 would get in the face of any existing stock 500/550 four.

A Hansen/Capelini-equipped 450, fully freaked can approach a genuine 50 hp, even more. But not for long, of course.

The 500T has looks only a mother could love, disgusting colors (except red, red always works), lumpy lines. Just a stroked 450 with more restrictive exhaust and an unfortunate number of parts that won't interchange with 450's. The literature reports it's slightly less power than a 450. Anecdotal reports tend to substantiate that - but I have very little hands-on with 500T's, I was out of the business (stopped working in regular Honda shops) by the time they were old enough to start getting torn down. They didn't sell many of them. Haven't even seen one in person in decades.
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Re: I believe the CB450 is the most impressive bike ever made.
« Reply #97 on: June 26, 2013, 11:17:32 am »
I agree with Bill here.

I just need to know when the CB750 would overtake the CB450. The CB450 I'm sure is faster off the line. Is it past 1/8 mile? Is it before the 1/8 mile? Would the CB450 get to 60 faster?

The CB450 does not vibrate any more than the bikes of this era. Calling them a vibrator is showing poor knowledge of them. My CB125s is a vibrator, but it even smooths out at certain speeds.

No doubt the CB450 would eat a CB550 Four.

I've also heard the CB500Ts are not faster/better bikes at all compared to CB450s. Red headed stepchild, and I heard they were even plagued with some issues.


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« Reply #98 on: June 26, 2013, 11:48:56 am »
I just need to know when the CB750 would overtake the CB450.


Uh, my guess is like right away........
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Re: I believe the CB450 is the most impressive bike ever made.
« Reply #99 on: June 26, 2013, 11:55:19 am »
I probably will eventually prove this to myself.

I need to get a master cylinder like yours.

What tire size did you go with?

I was going to build your exact cb450, right down to the color. But then decided I need to at least change the color scheme. :)
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