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Offline redpine

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Avon Cracking
« on: June 17, 2013, 05:30:27 PM »
I have an Avon Road Rider tire on the rear of my K7 750.  I've put maybe 3,000 miles on it in two years. I was getting things ready for a ride yesterday and noticed some significant sidewall cracking on the tire.  The tread is still healthy and the bike is stored in a garage. I was surprised by the damage and extensiveness of the cracking. For comparison my front tire is a Dunlop that is a year older and shows no sidewall damage. Wondering if anyone has had similar issues with these tires or if I'm missing something. It's too bad because up to this point I've really liked the Tire. Thanks for any insight.
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Re: Avon Cracking
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2013, 05:36:21 PM »
I have an Avon Road Rider tire on the rear of my K7 750.  I've put maybe 3,000 miles on it in two years. I was getting things ready for a ride yesterday and noticed some significant sidewall cracking on the tire.  The tread is still healthy and the bike is stored in a garage. I was surprised by the damage and extensiveness of the cracking. For comparison my front tire is a Dunlop that is a year older and shows no sidewall damage. Wondering if anyone has had similar issues with these tires or if I'm missing something. It's too bad because up to this point I've really liked the Tire. Thanks for any insight.
How old wqs the tire when you got it "new"? Whats the manufacture date? I wonder if where you live freeze dries them quicker than more southern locals?

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Re: Avon Cracking
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2013, 05:42:56 PM »
Just asking...   Did you do the brakes in the past two years ? I have seen a buddies Metzlers suffer a premature cracking sidewall. I reminded him that he had DOT3 all over his tire just a year prior. I know, because he couldn't properly bleed his rear caliper until I showed up with some check valve bleeder screws. When I got there , his tire had been soaking a week (he had to wait until the weekend for me) in brake fluid.
  I always thought that was the cause of his issue.
 Now, there have been some documented cases of tires cracking prematurely and their owners deny any contaminates on the sidewalls.
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Re: Avon Cracking
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2013, 05:49:31 PM »
I have an Avon AM9 4.10x19 front tire that did the same thing.  It wasn't outdated.  The matching rear is fine.  Avon will replace the tire but they are a pain in the a$$ to deal with.  I ordered my tires online and put them on myself.  In order to send it back to them it has to be removed by an approved Avon dealer and sent back to them for inspection before they will offer any refund.  Depending on when you bought the tire they may also pro-rate the refund.  I just said forget it and replaced the tire myself.  They wouldn't let me remove the tire and send it back to them.  Really poor service in my opinion.

This seems to be a common problem with Avon motorcycle tires too, which made it even more frustrating because they know this is a problem to begin with.  My tire had no brake fluid or other solvents on it.

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Re: Avon Cracking
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2013, 05:51:02 PM »
I don't recall getting any chemicals on the tire.  My rear brake is a drum so no soaking brake fluid. I purchased the tire new but I'll check the date stamp. I am wondering if I was running too low of air pressure and caused the sidewall to roll in corners. The bike has never felt loose but the pressure was at about 20lbs.
« Last Edit: June 17, 2013, 05:52:36 PM by redpine »
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Re: Avon Cracking
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2013, 05:54:14 PM »
Scott, did you go with another Avon or switch it up. I'm not to excited to send them more money if they've got poor service.
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Re: Avon Cracking
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2013, 05:56:06 PM »
Yes, I went with the same tire to match the rear.  It is fine for now.  Avon is a good company and they make a good product but their warranty procedures suck.

Scott 
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Re: Avon Cracking
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2013, 06:01:19 PM »
I have had good luck with my BT-45s. I had a flat at 75 patched the tube and rode home. No visible damage, but I did change the tire a week later. My ass and the rest of me is worth more than $90. I did have a Chen Seng crack in between the treads after 3 years. I have been picky about tires since then.
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Re: Avon Cracking
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2013, 06:09:35 PM »
 I would like to see a picture of the cracks and the date code if you would be so kind. I need a front tire but not right away. Would like to see how they respond in the end.
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Re: Avon Cracking
« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2013, 06:20:31 PM »
Welcome to the world of Avon! My race tires always cracked and it didn't cause any grief. The last couple sets have been fine though.

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« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2013, 06:22:52 PM »
Ken, I'll try to get some shots tomorrow for you. Now I need to dig out the receipts and see what Avon says.
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Re: Avon Cracking
« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2013, 06:33:01 PM »
Here are some pics of the cracks in my Avon AM9.  The build year was 2007.  The tires cracked by 2009 with less than 800 miles on them.









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Re: Avon Cracking
« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2013, 06:35:13 PM »
Welcome to the world of Avon! My race tires always cracked and it didn't cause any grief. The last couple sets have been fine though.

That makes me feel a little better because after I found the cracks I said screw it and put 100 miles on anyway.
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Re: Avon Cracking
« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2013, 06:41:06 PM »
I recently bought Avons for my Z1 after reading good reviews here.
But since then, have read several reports of them cracking like yours.
Will be watching mine close.  Got pics?
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Re: Avon Cracking
« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2013, 06:51:03 PM »
I recently bought Avons for my Z1 after reading good reviews here.
But since then, have read several reports of them cracking like yours.
Will be watching mine close.  Got pics?

The bike is over in my shared shop space. I'll try to get over there tomorrow to get some picks after work.
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Re: Avon Cracking
« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2013, 07:11:22 PM »
I am wondering about under inflation. I have found the modern tires require more PSI than you will find on the fender sticker. The new tires have more flexible sidewalls. I say that because the cracking is just below the rim where the maximum deflection would be.
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Re: Avon Cracking
« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2013, 07:41:51 PM »
Metzlers had a spat of tire cracking a while back, particularly on the 880 series big cruiser line.
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Re: Avon Cracking
« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2013, 08:09:31 PM »
A few years ago, I had the same issue with an Avon Venom front. (started 2 years from the manufacturing date) Seems to be a recurring issue. My two year old Speedmaster MK II's are still fine.

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Re: Avon Cracking
« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2013, 05:00:20 AM »
I had the same issue with my tire cracking (AM26).  Mine was a zero mile tire.  I bought them through southwestmototire.com and they replaced it with no questions asked.
Mine cracked next to the wheel and about half way up the side wall.

Manufacturer date and cracks.  This tire was made between July 15-21 of 2012.




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Re: Avon Cracking
« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2013, 05:10:02 AM »
If you google "Avon tire cracks" you get quite the return from various forums an owners groups.

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Re: Avon Cracking
« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2013, 05:34:18 AM »
I Know people who live by Avon tires. I would be on the phone with either the retailer or avon. My friends who are serious about track performance love to tell me about how every season you should replace your tires unless they wear out sooner. Mostly due to the fact of the hardening of rubber. I will say that if they are anything like inline hockey wheels maybe I should listen. Put your skates on a shelf for a year and then go try to play on a nice slick floor. They will slip and start to crumble.
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Re: Avon Cracking
« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2013, 09:12:55 AM »
All tire compounds will crack at different stages in their life and different places on the sidewall due to several factors:

although tires for trucks/cars can crack at the point where the tread joins the sidewall, I've never seen it on a serviceable M/C tire.

excessive cleaning; there are anti-oxidants and anti-ozone protection that are leached out of the tire each time it's cleaned.  the harsher the solution and solvents, and method, the more the leaching is accelerated.

heat, exhaust, ozone and sunlight all deteriorate the rubber compound.  parking near a running air compressor, or generator = ozone due to the physics of armatures and electricity.

the anti-aging chemicals used in the rubber compounds are more effective when the tire is "exercised" on a frequent basis. The repeated stretching of the rubber compound within it's designed stretch limits actually helps resist cracks forming.  low mileage and long storage is actually a detriment.  nothing has ever been put in front of me that explained what the stretch limits are/were and how to measure.  I do know this, some tire installers will over inflate to seat the tire on the rim and let it sit, supposedly to 'cure' the installation before letting the air out to spec.  Not a good method for avoiding sidewall cracking.

in addition to under inflation, don't overlook over inflation.  it will stretch the sidewall at the same spot next to the rim as the posted photos show.

the cracks can be cosmetic if they aren't too deep.  how you decide what is too deep has never been explained to me.  it's gut without special equipment.

auto tire manufacturer's generally have a four year crack warranty.  I can't speak to M/C because I never checked.
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Re: Avon Cracking
« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2013, 09:14:48 AM »
I have had good luck with my BT-45s. I had a flat at 75 patched the tube and rode home. No visible damage, but I did change the tire a week later. My ass and the rest of me is worth more than $90. I did have a Chen Seng crack in between the treads after 3 years. I have been picky about tires since then.

BT-45s are great tires.

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Re: Avon Cracking
« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2013, 06:38:18 PM »
As promised here's a picture of the tire. The date code is 8-2810. I'm guessing that means August 2010. I'm going to call the retailer tomorrow to see if there is any chance of replacement. I'll report back for those who are curious.
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Re: Avon Cracking
« Reply #24 on: June 18, 2013, 06:47:58 PM »
He my roadriders cracking in less than a year. Was not happy, and kind of turned off to Avon, actually.

I have heard someone mention that tire shine can accelerate the aging and cracking. Don't know about this but I did apply it once I seem to recall.