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« Reply #600 on: May 02, 2015, 12:22:32 AM »
Started on the electrics today and changed all the plugs over to the smaller style pins and small plugs. The plugs may not be in the correct way as yet, they're just sitting in place till I transfer to newly painted plate. Pretty happy about the way it went, 1 wire at a time comparing it to other sub loom I had. Once all this is completed its just a matter of finishing the wiring and making sure the points are working correctly. A mate gave me a new timing light.





Does anyone have the MALE 9 pin plug from the rectifier in good condition they'd be happy to ship to Oz?

The male side of:-



Or can someone point me to new ones. I bought some from Vintage and they weren't correct.

Hand painted (as you can tell) with POR Blackcote the older style electric plate that suits the older style plugs.

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The flat handlebars I bought are about 2" too short, so I'll get the originals chromed. 

Got the feeling back again to get stuck in and stop being slack.
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« Reply #601 on: May 02, 2015, 04:28:42 PM »
Is this the connector you need the mate to? (arrow) (7 pins, 9 total holes, 2 end holes in middle row left empty) and it's mate would have round pins.
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« Reply #602 on: May 02, 2015, 04:30:22 PM »
DH, yep, you got it in one!
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« Reply #603 on: May 02, 2015, 04:35:20 PM »
that goes to a harness that comes off the stator/ field.I'll take a pic of it and post it in an hour or so so you
can verify..stand by....charging my camera

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« Reply #604 on: May 02, 2015, 04:36:35 PM »
Giddy up, thanks mate.

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« Reply #605 on: May 02, 2015, 05:43:08 PM »
like this?
only thing is that the yellow wires are wired into the stator, part of it I think. I'd slice it if you want it that way, because the whole thing shipped to Oz, well, you know how that goes.
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« Reply #606 on: May 03, 2015, 03:15:18 AM »
Well DH after seeing your photo I realise I've been looking for the wrong plug.

Look what I found at the end of the stator! I had totally forgotten about the plug until I saw your photo, you saved the day.



I now remember I went the way of the smaller plugs because I had the complete set so I could complete the electrics in the plate with the correct connectors fitted into the cut outs in the plate.

That's why Cal says I'm a rank amateur (and pretty rank at that).
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« Reply #607 on: May 03, 2015, 04:26:42 AM »
Say as you see it Cal, I don't have a problem with that.

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« Reply #608 on: May 03, 2015, 04:39:31 AM »
Not 6 months, 8 months. I bought a neutral switch for the 500 and I had one already.

It's nice to be old and not realise you're losing it.
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« Reply #609 on: May 03, 2015, 04:47:24 AM »
Next'll be a CB750 and a Norton Commando (I always wanted a Norton).

Parts under the house in buckets, boxes, plastic storage bins, no wonder I can't keep track of it all.

And now I've got to learn how to use a multimeter.
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« Reply #610 on: May 03, 2015, 04:59:24 AM »
I just get the rounds of the kitchen, once we had a deck with a BBQ, now I've got a workshop.

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« Reply #611 on: May 03, 2015, 07:11:20 AM »
Well DH after seeing your photo I realise I've been looking for the wrong plug.

Look what I found at the end of the stator! I had totally forgotten about the plug until I saw your photo, you saved the day.



I now remember I went the way of the smaller plugs because I had the complete set so I could complete the electrics in the plate with the correct connectors fitted into the cut outs in the plate.

That's why Cal says I'm a rank amateur (and pretty rank at that).


It's easy to get side tracked, but always nice when you catch a mistake early eh?

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« Reply #612 on: May 03, 2015, 07:44:05 AM »
I envy the people who are able to avoid all of the two steps forward, one step back I have taken. All part of the learning process.
1975 CB550K1 "Blue" Stockish Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=135005.0)
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2015 Yamaha FZ-09 (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,186861.0.html)

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« Reply #613 on: May 03, 2015, 11:24:37 AM »
It was like a light went on when I saw DH's photo, aah, I think I've already got one of those. Now if I just remember where the other parts are, the beauty of old age.
I'm also learning from Cal new acronyms and not just how to rebuild a bike.

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« Reply #614 on: May 03, 2015, 11:36:48 AM »
It was like a light went on when I saw DH's photo, aah, I think I've already got one of those. Now if I just remember where the other parts are, the beauty of old age.
I'm also learning from Cal new acronyms and not just how to rebuild a bike.

FWIW
1975 CB550K1 "Blue" Stockish Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=135005.0)
1975 CB550F1 frame/CB650 engine hybrid "The Hot Mess" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,150220.0.html)
2008 Triumph Thruxton (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,190956.0.html)
2014 MV Agusta Brutale Dragster 800
2015 Yamaha FZ-09 (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,186861.0.html)

"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html and https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/3/1/song-of-the-sausage-creature)

Sold/Emeritus
1973 CB750K2 "Bionic Mongrel" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=132734.0) - Sold
1977 CB750K7 "Nine Lives" Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=50490.0) - Sold
2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
2016+ Triumph Thruxton 1200 R (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,170198.0.html) - Sold

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« Reply #615 on: May 03, 2015, 11:42:25 AM »
Now I do feel left behind. Aah this modern world, it was simpler then, there was only black or white coffee and I knew how to  spell then. Those were the days my friend.

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« Reply #616 on: May 09, 2015, 04:31:52 PM »
Electrics are not my forté. Here I am changing over the blade style plugs into the pin style.



Does it matter which yellow wire goes into which plug hole?



Does anyone have a one of these in good condition with both the arms attached? It must've just been holding on.


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« Reply #617 on: May 09, 2015, 05:16:57 PM »
Thanks Cal

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« Reply #618 on: May 11, 2015, 12:13:55 PM »
Tested the rectifier which was kaput but luckily had another that tested A ok.

Have some Rapidfix (glue plus white powder actuator) and was able to fix the broken arm on the 6 point connector.

 

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« Reply #619 on: May 12, 2015, 01:13:14 AM »
Elektrikery is fun ain't it! Can't see it, can't smell it, can't taste it but by god don't it bite!!!!!

Fun asside clean the bejazers out of those pin connectors and use some dielectric grease on them (No idea what that actually is but have heard of it---I use vaseline!)
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« Reply #620 on: May 12, 2015, 03:30:51 AM »
Exactly BJ I've a tiny drill bit and wire brush for inside the female connections, they look worse than they are because of the plastic looking dirty. All the male connectors have been pulled out and cleaned with sand paper.
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« Reply #621 on: May 23, 2015, 04:35:03 PM »
Electrics are coming together. All parts test OK on the multimeter and have continuity through all wires. Still have to wrap all the wiring together. I presume the extra green wire with a connector is a spare earth?

I'm still tempted to get a new rectifier and regulator though.



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Question:-
On the starter solenoid, which side connects to the starter and which side connects to the battery?

Also which colour goes where on the flasher unit, grey and a black.

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« Reply #622 on: May 23, 2015, 04:48:09 PM »
Hey Cal, thanks for your reply. From your reply the solenoid is in correct orientation I presume.

The rectifier checked out fine on the multimeter, but close examination shows up as very stained and old looking (not surprising I suppose), I'm worried about cleaning it too much in case I damage it.

I have 3 rectifiers but only one is good. Let me know the price, a spare would be good.

I'm also concerned about the old connectors and wonder if I'd be better off replacing all the wiring on the plate.

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« Reply #623 on: May 23, 2015, 04:50:21 PM »
Cal any direction on the colour wires to the flasher unit would be good.

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« Reply #624 on: May 24, 2015, 04:06:32 AM »
Cal life moves on for old geysers like us, life used to be simple - black or white coffee, now it's macchiato, cappuccino, afrigato its all too confusing.

Which Tim Tam do you want?



There's also Original, Dark or White if you need more to choose from.
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