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« Reply #50 on: January 26, 2014, 06:17:06 PM »
Picked up the seat from the upholsterer Friday.  He did an outstanding job recreating 1960 Honda factory roadrace seat.  Splurged on suede for the material and am very pleased.  Next step is to fabricate and install the mounts.  This photo shows the black color well.



The color is washed out in this photo on the bike.



Used Plastigage to check the rod bearing clearance.  Ended up with black bearings on the #2 rods and brown on the #1 rod.  The best I could achieve is between 1.5 and 2 thousands of an inch clearance.  Since the service limit is 3 thousands I should be OK.  Look closely and you can see the Plastigage on the #1 and #4 rod journals.



Bead blasted and then brushed the brake backing plate with a brass brush to blend in the rear brake cable anchor.  It gives the aluminum and nice finish without being too shiny.


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« Reply #51 on: February 10, 2014, 03:40:27 PM »
Progress to report.  Finished the stays for the front brake.  Was trying to measure to locate where to drill the holes for the backing plate studs.  I was not confident that would work when I hit on applying paint to the end of the stud and pressing the stay against it.  Success, located the spot precisely.




Still a few details, such as the fender stays and cable anchors, but nearly done.



The rear backing plate and brake stay are also complete.  The brake arm is from a YDS1.  Changing from a rod to a cable operated back brake for the look I am trying to achieve.




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« Reply #52 on: February 12, 2014, 06:24:17 PM »
Also finished the mounts for the tank and seat.





It is starting to look like a motorcycle. 



Time to start on the motor while the seat and tank go to the painter.  Just checked and I have parts from 5 different suppliers on order.  May need to let the bank account recover for a while.   ;D

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Re: CB550 Track Bike
« Reply #53 on: February 12, 2014, 09:46:24 PM »
Are you going to keep the forks tubes at stock length or reduce them by 2"?  Also, have you given some thought to radius-ing (is that a word?) the edges of the front fender mounts so they curve to the forks rather than having sharp edges? 

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Re: CB550 Track Bike
« Reply #54 on: February 12, 2014, 10:03:52 PM »

Bead blasted and then brushed the brake backing plate with a brass brush to blend in the rear brake cable anchor.  It gives the aluminum and nice finish without being too shiny.


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I like that look, sometimes you just don't want shiny,  8)
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Re: CB550 Track Bike
« Reply #55 on: February 13, 2014, 06:13:59 PM »
Thanks for the comments guys.  I do plan to radius the corners of the fender bracket and brake stay.  The brake hardware is at the platers for zinc plating, so the location of the brake cable anchor is to be determined.  The upper fork tubes will need shortened as they look dumb sticking that far above the upper triple tree.  Plan to wait until I have the front end geometry right as once they are cut there is no going back.  Hard welded rockers arrived from Dynoman today.  Have some cool stuff on order from Motocicli Veloci, including a TZ style brake spliter for the front brake cables.  First time ordering from him so we will see how it goes.
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« Reply #56 on: February 26, 2014, 05:43:26 PM »
Working on the motor today and realized I was missing one seal.  It is the plug on the primary shaft.  Like most it has been worn by the drive chain.  The good news is CMS has them. 





Also ordered both the early and late intake rubbers just to see what the differences is.  Lord Moonpie came through with the tank decals.  As soon as it warms enough here in Ohio for my painter to work in his shop the tank and seat will be sprayed.  Checked in With Jemco and hope to have the megaphones in the next 30 days.  Also waiting on parts to come back from zinc plating.  The old hurry up and wait!

Does anyone have a source for 520 sprockets for the CB500/550?  Not having much luck finding a supplier so far.

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« Reply #57 on: February 26, 2014, 06:35:57 PM »
For rear 520 alloy sprockets I use Sprocket Specialists. For a few extra bucks they will have them anodized. For the fronts I've both thinned 530 pieces plus have bought some 520's from JTSprockets. Machining a 530 is a noisy affair! I haven't tried lately but finding the JT items seemed difficult. I like the fronts with the 530 thickness through the center as they wear less on the c/s shaft.

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« Reply #58 on: February 28, 2014, 05:53:16 PM »
bwaller, thanks for the suggestions.  Like the idea of using 530 countershaft sprockets for the extra surface.  My parts are back from the plater.  The bill was $115 for around 260 parts and a three week turn around.  They did a great job again.  There are a few mini bike parts in the back.  Wanted to be sure I hit the $80 minimum.



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Re: CB550 Track Bike
« Reply #59 on: March 04, 2014, 04:36:00 PM »
Looks great, in for the follow!
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Re: CB550 Track Bike
« Reply #60 on: March 05, 2014, 08:01:25 PM »
What numbers are you shooting for with your engine build?
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« Reply #61 on: March 10, 2014, 06:35:43 PM »
Was able to spend part of the weekend in the shop and made the usual two steps forward and one step back.  The good news is the bottom end is together.   I am using a stock crank and rods with new bearings.  The transmission also has new bearing and of course new seals.  Since I did not know the history of the motors new cam and primary chains too.  Hoping to see 50 HP with this motor.  If all goes well I have a couple of spare motors that I may go all out with.  Built a lot of two stokes back in the day, but this is my first four stroke.



Note the socket which has been ground down to fit the rod bolt nuts.







The safety wire is looped around the end of each transmission shaft to keep them in place while lowering the upper case onto the lower.  Feels good to have the bottom end together. 
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« Reply #62 on: March 10, 2014, 06:54:55 PM »
I mentioned two steps forward.  The other progress was with the intake rubber connectors.  I am trying to use CB750 carbs with CB550 intake manifolds.  Trying to use the 550 intake rubber connectors was like trying to squeeze 50 lbs of you know what into a 5 lb bag.  Bwaller suggested CB650 manifolds.  When I first looked at them it was no joy.  Way too loose on the manifolds and too tight on the carbs.  Fortunately a light bulb went on and eureka!  Turned them around backwards and almost a perfect fit!  Will need to trim a little rubber on the carb side and a little metal on the manifold side, no more than 1mm on each.



Note the arrow pointing the wrong way. 





Used a black marker to show the amount of metal that needs trimmed.

The one step backwards was with the Grimeca front brake.  When I tightend up the arms on the brake shoe cams, one side locked solid.  It seems that one of the backing plates missed a step in the machining process.  Shipped them to a friend with a machine shop for some time on the mill.  Thank goodness for friends who share your disease.   ;D

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« Reply #63 on: March 16, 2014, 06:18:05 PM »
The brake backing plates are back from the machine shop in record time and now work as they were intended.  Put the bottom end in the frame and mounted a spare cylinder and head.  Wanted to see if the CB750 carbs, in CB650 intake connectors, mounted on late CB550 manifolds would all fit.  The good news is they fit like they were made for each other.  Here are a couple of photos.





I also wanted to check the kick starter clearance at the foot peg and brake pedal.  Since I don't have a solo starter this may come in handy at times.  I can always remove it when not needed.



Played with the megaphones to get an idea of what is going to be needed to mount them.  Making progress, but lots of work to go. 


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« Reply #64 on: March 16, 2014, 09:26:40 PM »
Please share some details on the megaphones.  (As in who made them and if they are straight pipes or baffled.)
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« Reply #65 on: March 18, 2014, 06:49:20 AM »
The megaphones came from Jemco.  I chose him to take advantage of his exhaust design knowledge.  http://www.jemcoexhaust.com/  I really wanted the long cone to be one piece, but he was unable to roll on that long.  They are straight.  An alternative if you know what you want is Cone Engineering.  http://www.coneeng.com/  May need to add baffles if the open megas prove too loud.  A third alternative is Swarbrick out of England.  http://swarbrick-racing.co.uk/

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« Reply #66 on: March 18, 2014, 11:20:56 AM »
Rocketman,

The bike looks killer. Did you paint the head and cylinder or are you running it raw media blasted?
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« Reply #67 on: March 18, 2014, 05:30:16 PM »
Trad,  The head and cylinder have been soda blasted.  They look pretty good at 10 feet.  :D  They are just on temporarily to mock up the carbs and exhaust.  The head and cylinder I am using have been vapor blasted and look that good up close.  Thanks, Rocketman

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« Reply #68 on: April 20, 2014, 07:40:16 PM »
The past 30 days have seen a flurry of activity.  It started off with tearing the motor back down to torque the rod bolts to 18 ft/lbs.  I had only gone to 15 which is the spec for the 550 rod bolts.  However I am using 750 rod bolts which take the higher spec.  All went well as the bolts can be tightened with the crank sitting in the lower case.  When I tightened the cases up I discovered my crank was nearly locked!  Long story short I had used Black bearings to try and tighten up the clearance and went too far.  Ended up putting Greens in and all is well.  Here is a link to another thread with the gory details. 

http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=135652.0

Unfortunately I did not have one of the transmission shaft bearings located on a pin and when I tightened it up it pushed the pin through the case!  Talk about a being PO'ed at myself.  So back apart one more time.  Fortunately I was able to repair the case with Devcon epoxy which I am confident will work just fine.  Here is a picture before the repair.



Progress has been made on the exhaust.  Here are a couple pictures.  I'll post another later of the brackets which hold the lower megaphone to the upper megaphone.  I am not satisfied with the routing of the header for cylinder #2.  Plan to use a torch and some persuasion to get it tucked up against the frame rail.  This will necessitate putting a new section on the rear where the megaphone attaches. 







Also fabricated the tach/front fairing mount.  Using a Scutsi tach.  The bracket as modeled after a TZ250 F/G bracket.







Goal is to have it running June 1.  May be too ambitious, but gives me a target to shoot for.

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Re: CB550 Track Bike
« Reply #69 on: April 20, 2014, 07:43:53 PM »
Droooooolll. That is some really nice work. Pipes look sick!
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« Reply #70 on: April 20, 2014, 08:35:11 PM »
Agreed, those pipes look like they'll bark like dire wolves. Well done.
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« Reply #71 on: May 23, 2014, 08:09:04 PM »
I had some use it or lose it vacation this week and next.  With my better half spending a few days with her cousin this has allowed me to spend unlimited time in the shop this week.   ;D  Yesterday I tackled the carbs and finished the job as 2 am.  Was not stopping until they were done.  I had previously soda blasted them and then had the bodies ultrasonic cleaned by Mike Nixon.  http://www.motorcycleproject.com/  He also found two of the pilot jets were clogged so bad they had to be replaced.  Highly recommend his Carb book.  When I attached the carbs to the mounting plate the chokes were all but locked up!  I ended up shimming one corner of the #1 and #4 carbs to get everything lined up and moving freely.

Here is the before:



And the after:



Over the last month I have assembled the top end and degreed the Cam.  Used the hose clamp trick to get the pistons in the cylinder.







My degree wheel had an 8mm hole from a prior project and the ignition end of the crank has a 6mm threaded hole.  I made an adapter out of a piece of aluminum bar about 3/4 x 1/2 and 3/4 long.  Drilled and tapped a 6mm threaded hole in one end and a 8mm threaded hole in the other.  Cut off a 6mm bolt to make a stud which I loctited in and then used a 8mm bolt to attach the degree wheel. 





Used a piston stop from APE to find top dead center (TDC).



Then a dial gauge to measure the valve movement and locate .05", then record the reading off the degree wheel.



Got lucky and was 106 degrees on the Intake and 108 degrees on the exhaust for the cam lobe centers.  The spec I was shooting for was 107 degrees.  Was not sure which way I needed to move the cam sprocket so I called Web Cam.  Turns out I needed to retard the cam 1/2 a degree to get a 1 degree movement at the crank.  They suggested and I agreed it was not worth the effort.  Still need to check the piston to valve clearance. 

Have the frame back from the painter.  I was not pleased with the studs that the exhaust brackets hung from as they were not square to the frame and too flimsy.  Used a hole saw to drill a hole in the gusset just in front of the shock mount.  A machinist friend made up some plugs on his lathe which were drilled and tapped.  Had them welded into the frame using a piece or rod run through the holes to ensure they were square.  They are much stronger and square to the exhaust so no need to twist them to match the frame angle.







Here is a picture of the brackets holding the lower megaphone to the upper megaphone.



With one more week of vacation hoping to make good progress before it is back to the day job.  Not sure it is realistic, but would like to have it running by June 1.  No way I can have it all finished by then, but can't wait to hear the open megaphones! 



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« Reply #72 on: May 23, 2014, 08:30:24 PM »
Good for you to be able to work on it full time. The fabrication burns the hours away. When is your first race?

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« Reply #73 on: May 23, 2014, 10:27:00 PM »
That thing is going to be awesome.
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« Reply #74 on: May 24, 2014, 12:09:37 AM »
Those megaphones are going to howl!  ;D
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2008 Triumph Thruxton (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,190956.0.html)
2014 MV Agusta Brutale Dragster 800
2015 Yamaha FZ-09 (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,186861.0.html)

"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html and https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/3/1/song-of-the-sausage-creature)

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1977 CB750K7 "Nine Lives" Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=50490.0) - Sold
2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
2016+ Triumph Thruxton 1200 R (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,170198.0.html) - Sold