Thanks Johnie. IMO can't beat the look of the factory pipes on these babies either. Times have changed haven't they, back in the day people couldn't get these pipes off fast enough so they could install a different pipe of some sort. Of course the #2 I got our of Australia recently is near perfect, #1 is a nice pipe, #3 is good also but was off a bike that went down or over on that side and scrapped it up some near the end and more toward bottom so its not that noticeable. But like I always say this isn't a show bike its a rider so Im fine with some nicks, and scratches in places. Eye appeal #4 looks good to but internal its a little rough. The rear chamber or baffle was broke lose and rattling around so I removed it. So if I run across a #4 that's in a little better shape inside and the price isn't crazy I'll probably snatch it up.