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Offline MikeJW

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airflow to engine
« on: March 13, 2014, 04:31:59 PM »
Hello to all. Last month we got a little break in the winter weather here and I took advantage of it for a ride. Bike ran so poorly I was seriously worried about making it home. Kept wanting to stall and had very little power. This week, I have been tearing it down...trying to find the cause. Took the carbs off and cleaned & checked them. When I put them back on the bike, I experienced a problem hooking them back up to the airbox. Finally, I took the airbox off and took it completely apart. All of the rubber boots have gotten as hard as stone and on the ends inside the airbox are all squashed down. It looks like someone had grabbed each one with their fingers on one side and thumb on the other and tried to mash the two sides together. Then they got hard and stayed that way. Wouldn't that severely affect the engine performance? And what caused them to get that way? I think I need to replace them, but don't want to do it til I know what caused them to get that way. Any help, explanation/advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Mike.
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Re: airflow to engine
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2014, 04:34:40 PM »
Something restricted the airflow? Wetgear under the seat or something.
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Re: airflow to engine
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2014, 08:07:41 PM »
These little flexible velocity stacks inside these airboxes were made from an early form of fuel-resistance polyethylene/PVC mix. They were never intended to last 35+ years, only for about 50k miles (or maybe 10 years, tops). They started getting hard along about 1995. Then came ethanol, which fumes cause shrinkage of that material: this is what then distorts their shapes, slowly over time.

Around 2000 or so, a newer polyethylene blend came out for these parts, and Honda graciously started supplying them to us in this new form. These new parts will stay soft as long as a baby's Fisher-Price rubber ducky, and are 99% impervious to ethanol. So, installing a new set will go a long way toward improving your fit-up and performance, and for a long time. You'll be pleasantly surprised to find, after wrestling out the old ones, that the new ones take about 15 seconds to install. ;)
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Re: airflow to engine
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2014, 08:15:10 PM »
Thank you very much, Hondaman. I was hoping an expert like you would reply. I am still wondering if the distorted tubes are what killed my bike's performance ???
As a side note, I just bought those boots a couple years ago. Where I live, it is impossible to find ethanol-free gasoline.
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Re: airflow to engine
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2014, 08:26:55 PM »
Thank you very much, Hondaman. I was hoping an expert like you would reply. I am still wondering if the distorted tubes are what killed my bike's performance ???
As a side note, I just bought those boots a couple years ago. Where I live, it is impossible to find ethanol-free gasoline.

Yeah, the ethanol is at 99% of the stations here, too. AFAIK, there is only 1 station with 1 pump of 'real 85 octane gas within 20 miles of my house. I installed new velocity stacks on my 750 about 3-4 years ago, and they are still fine. The old ones, like so many, were so brittle that I broke them out in pieces by cutting the outer end up to the box with [wire] dykes on both sides, then pinched with Channel-Lock pliers until they shattered, to get them out. In 2005 I had sealed around their shrunken edges so they would not leak, but had not removed them from the carbs: once I did remove them, they were doomed!

Although, I also recently discovered by accident that if you drop one of them into xylol for about 5 days, they become as flexible as baloney for about 2 days, and much larger. As the xylol escapes it, they shrink to about 95% of their original size (which was big enough to seal the airbox again) and become just as hard as before. So, I experimented with a "shrink-to-fit" method on a spare set of airbox & carbs, and whaddya know, it worked! I think this could be a good short-term solution, sort of like shining up fuseblock clips, for the 'poor college kid' rider like I was. :)
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Re: airflow to engine
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2014, 02:04:47 PM »
When I took my air box apart earlier this winter, I found my rubber stacks also looked like they were pinched from both sides. Although they were probably partly deformed from age, I think they were in upside down so that they were flattening against the filter. Bike ran well all las summer, still. We will see how it goes this summer with new ones.