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1978 CB550K Resto-Mods
« on: March 27, 2014, 12:22:25 PM »
Update as of 12 June 2014: Turns out I'm gonna have to tear down the engine and build it back up anyway, so I am going to go ahead and completely dismantle the bike and slowly get her built back up again, cleaning/restoring/replacing things as I go. Scroll to end of this thread for updates coming soon!

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I recently purchased a '78 CB550K off of Craigslist, and I plan on slowly cleaning it up and making some modifications. I purchased it from the previous owner in Portland and had it transported down to me in San Jose. I won't be doing a total rebuild or anything drastic anytime soon (like cutting the frame), but I thought I would go ahead and document my progress here as I thought it might be interesting to some and possibly helpful to others. The work I document might be painfully basic for some folks, but I have found as a newbie that even some of the mundane tasks and changes are helpful when described and illustrated by others. Here is the bike as it was the day that I got it...





From a distance, it looks to be in really great shape. Up close, though, you can see that the tank is pretty scratched up, decals peeling off, paint flaking off various painted parts, exhaust pipes pitted and rusting, etc. The bike starts up and runs well, but is definitely leaking some oil somewhere in the upper regions, to be determined.

The first thing I did was to remove that sexy luggage rack and pelican case combo :-) The rack is not in that great of shape, and the case has holes in it from when the previous owner mounted it to the rack. I imagine both will end up going to someone who will make better use of these things.

Here is my general plan for what I would like to do to the bike:
  • Pull off original seat and store it, as it is in pretty good shape - replace with lower profile custom seat
  • Replace tail light with smaller one
  • Possibly replace turn signals with smaller bullet style signals
  • Paint tank and side covers flat black, adding white stenciled Honda lettering onto tank
  • Replace handlebars with lower, 'euro' style bars (clubmans seem too low for my old back)
  • Replace 4-4 exhaust with chrome 4-into-1. Someone got the bright idea to cut off about three inches of the existing pipes, possibly to make them louder or because the end cones were possibly rusted. Adjusting carbs as necessary afterward.
  • Possibly replace existing mirrors with handle bar end type mirrors

I'm sure other ideas will emerge, and some of the above will change, but that is the basic idea for now.

First thing's first, though. Before I get into all of the cosmetic changes above, there are a couple of urgent mechanical issues that I noticed right out of the gate when I got the bike. First, oil level was critically low and dirty, so I replaced that right away. Second, the front brake pads are wore completely down, so I will be tackling that next. I'll go ahead and do the rear brake shoes as well, as the foot pedal goes down pretty far before the rear brake engages.

I'll post updates as I go...some will be very minor/routine, others likely more complicated. In any case, I hope folks find at least some parts of this project interesting or useful.

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« Last Edit: June 12, 2014, 04:01:33 PM by ironandtime »
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Re: 1978 CB550 Modifications
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2014, 01:12:00 PM »
nice looking bike....

looks too good to be making any changes, just maintenance is all is needed....imho  ;)
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Re: 1978 CB550 Modifications
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2014, 07:33:47 PM »
That looks like a great base. I would't paint the tank unless it absolutely needed it.
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« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2014, 07:42:26 PM »
Looks good.  Did you get the seat?
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Re: 1978 CB550 Modifications
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2014, 08:21:10 PM »
That was difficult to see what they did to a decent set of Original exhaust;it would be nice to see if you could find a set in a salvage yard that were NG and try to salvage the end caps on them and have them tig welded onto yours.
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« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2014, 06:35:43 PM »
I’ve made some progress on my CB550 since my last post, and this entry is part of my effort to document all the changes. It’s been a fun and challenging process working on this thing, and I'm learning a lot already, thanks to the collective knowledge in this forum. Ok, on to the changes...

Front Brakes
The front brake pads were wore down to nothing when I got the bike, so this maintenance definitely had to happen before I could take the bike out on the road. I ordered some ‘organic’ pads vs. the old school asbestos ones, so we shall see how those work. First problem out of the gate: one of the old brake pads was stuck in the caliper. After a number of unsuccessful tries to get it out, I finally figured out that I could drill a small hole in the middle of the old pad face and insert an eye hook. I then was able to grab the eye hook with a pair of channel lock pliers and pull it right out.


Eye bolt used to remove stuck brake pad

I then discovered that the piston was really stuck in the other caliper. I learned through this forum that the best method to remove a stuck piston is to simply use the actual braking mechanism to force the piston out of the caliper. I unfortunately did not learn this until I had disassembled the line and drained the fluid, but hey I'm a newbie and this is part of the learning process!

Once I got the piston out, I could see why it was difficult to remove: it was rusted and corroded, as was the brake pad casing. The shop that had supposedly rebuilt this front brake unit only a couple of years ago did not use the proper lubrication, and they also assembled one of the mounting bolts so that the fender was installed crooked. There was some tar-like goo on the left fork, which I suspect was the wrong kind of lubricant melting from the extreme heat. And the rust you see here is likely from the exposed metal parts touching directly along with moisture contact.


The result of a poorly installed and maintained brake system

Once I got all of this apart, I thoroughly cleaned everything and started to put it all back together. I very lightly sanded the inside of the caliper and the sides of the piston to remove the rust, then cleaned everything up with brake cleaner. Just as in woodworking, I did a ‘dry fit test’ first to make sure that everything would fit properly. I discovered that I needed to file down the new brake pad casing just a wee bit, especially around the tubular pin notch at the top, in order to get it to fit into the caliper without binding. I made sure these exposed parts were lubed to avoid rust and direct metal contact. Thanks to Two Tired and MotoBunnY here in the forum for their tireless effort to teach the gospel on proper brake caliper assembly using the right lubes in the right places.


New brake pad dry fitted into caliper

I found some of the fancy Dow Corning Hi Vac grease that Two Tired recommends at a local science supply shop here in San Jose. It was a bit overpriced, but I decided to pick it up anyway.


Reassembled brake system

Once I got everything back together, the not-so-fun part was ‘bleeding’ the brake lines to try and get all of the air out of the system. This was definitely a trial and error process. I had an epic disaster when I learned the hard way that brake fluid will take off paint and paint finish in no time flat. I ended up spilling some on the tank when I was trying to unclog that tiny bothersome hole in the bottom of the master cylinder. Fortunately, I am planning on having my gas tank painted so the damage you see in the pic below is no big deal. But definitely a major note to self for future brake fluid maintenance.


DOT 3 brake fluid makes a wonderful paint remover :-(

I eventually got all the air out of the system, adjusted the front brake tension spring, and it's worked like a charm.

Rear Brakes
I was able to disassemble and replace the rear brake shoes using the center stand without too much work. Probably the hardest part was getting the wheel back on and aligning it without an extra pair of hands!

New Exhaust
My bike came with the four original stock exhaust pipes, but I decided to replace them with a Mac 4-into-1. This was a pretty straightforward process, and I had the new pipes on in no time.


My new 4-into-1 exhaust set, ready for installation


Rusted exhaust flanges cleaned up and ready for re-install


Old exhaust pipe gasket on the left, new one on the right

I checked the spark plugs before firing it up with the new exhaust, so that I can monitor any changes over time. They looked pretty normal, or maybe slightly on the 'rich' side of things, and all four were consistent.  I’ll see how this new setup runs, and make adjustments as necessary - rejetting if I have to.

As has been noted numerous times in the forum, one of the unexpected results of having this new 4-into-1 exhaust system is that it allows the center kickstand of the bike to retract too far toward the frame, resulting in the stand rubbing against the drive chain. This is because original single pipe no. 2 had a small rubber foot that kept the stand from swinging up too high. The extra 'L' bracket that comes with the Mac 4-into-1 set is supposed to mount on the frame and extend down to work as a stop for the center stand. If you mount it to the rear foot peg it does do that, but there are two problems. One, the stand rattles against the bottom of the bracket when you hit rough road. Second, the chain bounces up and down during driving and so the gap between the center stand and top of the chain needs to be pretty wide in order for the chain not to hit the stand anyway. After some research, I opted to remove my center stand altogether, and will use it only when needed during some maintenance. I'll probably regret that the first time I have a flat out on the road. Then again, in order to get the rear wheel off during roadside maintenance I would need to have a decent set of tools on hand anyway.

Custom Tail Light
I decided to replace the original big honk’n tail light with a smaller, more streamlined version. This turned out to be more of a challenge than I thought, but it ended up working out just fine. I had to drill new holes in the chrome fender, which I was able to do with a standard metal drill bit. I located the holes using the new tail light base as a template. I then used a small punch to start the hole, and used a bit of blue masking tape to help protect the chrome surface around the spinning bit.

The original tail light had three wires, but the new one only has two. I figured out that the third wire was a ground, and so a I added a ground wire from the internal light casing that connects to the third green ground wire from the bike. Until I did this the tail light would not even come on, because the rubber base between the new light and the fender did not allow any metal to touch and so nothing was able to ground out. Once that third wire was connected, the new tail light and brake light worked like a charm.


New ground wire added to the internal tail light casing

I had to remove the wiring temporarily from the wire channel on the underside of the rear fender so that I wouldn’t damage anything when I drilled the new holes. I found that an excellent way to re-feed the wiring through the narrow channel is to use heavy duty picture hanging wire as a ‘pull wire’.


Heavy duty picture hanging wire wrapped/taped to electrical wire in order to pull it through narrow fender wire channel

And finally…


The finished installation

Turn Signals and Mirrors
Purists here need to cover their ears. For now, I have removed all the turn signals and mirrors. I’m kinda digging the look of the bike without them (this is the cafe race side of me talking), but will continue to contemplate adding the smaller ‘bullet’ style signals later on. I will be replacing the handlebars very soon, at which point I will likely install custom mirrors that attach to the ends of the bars rather than attaching vertically on top.

Custom Saddle
And finally, I located a second seat that fits my bike (Thanks, Stev-O!). I removed the cover and all the internal foam, then cleaned up the seat pan.


Seat pan after old foam and cover removed

I then sent it to a guy who does a lot of great upholstery work on motorcycles, cars, and even household furniture. He is going to make a seat for me that is low profile with some fancy pants stitching…can’t wait to get it on the bike! The existing stock seat that is on the bike now is in really good shape, so I will most likely keep it in case I decide to sell the bike later on or start another project bike that needs a seat.

Ok – I think I’m finally caught up. While I am waiting for my fancy custom seat to arrive, I think the next project will be to tackle replacing the handlebars….
« Last Edit: March 31, 2014, 07:01:31 PM by ironandtime »
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« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2014, 06:41:47 PM »
Good progress.....looking good.
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« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2014, 06:43:44 PM »
hey man, really great pics, posts, and thread :)...that ratty original paint looks better and has way more class than flat black.  Leave it alone until you can do it right. ;)
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New Handlebars and Grips
« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2014, 08:47:10 PM »
Well, the mods are starting to take shape on my Honda CB550. This morning I added the new low-rise ‘euro’ handlebars and new grips. We finally had a nice day and I was able to take the bike out for a ride – first time since I made all the recent changes including front and rear brakes, 4-into-1 exhaust, and the new tail light. It definitely sounds different (in a good way), and ran great. The right side of the gas tank is cosmetically in rough shape, so I experimented with taking the rest of the red/gold stripe decals off, which were mostly falling apart anyway. This starts to give me a sense of what the tank will look like in just solid black…









The new throttle grip seem to hurt my hand…the way the textured rubber is under tension when giving it the throttle seems to burn my hand a bit. I’ll keep trying it, but if it still feels uncomfortable I’ll try wrapping the rubber part with leather and see how that works.

Likely upcoming mods: bar end mirrors, smaller gauges, custom seat, and painting the tank.

Oh, and I made my first stop at a cafe with my new ride, and got a compliment on my bike from a stranger as soon as I parked the bike  - that put a smile on my face :-)
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New Turn Signals and Decal Removal
« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2014, 07:05:05 PM »
Some updates on the 550 project...

I've installed new bullet turn signals from Lockhart Phillips for front and back. The front signals are mounted directly where the head lamp lug nuts used to be, and I drilled holes in the rear fender for the back signals. Using the existing holes in the frame was not an option because the seat would hit the signals, and I did not want to put extensions on them and have them protrude out too far.

These are nice looking signals, very bright, and can be seen even from angles and a little from the side. They are slightly brushed nickel finish, and have standard 18GA wires with bullet connectors already installed. The front signals are dual filament, because my '78 front signals combine both running lights and turn signals, and the rear are single filament for turn signals only. I initially had the turn signal and running light leads reversed on the front, but once I figured that out and switched them around, the lights work perfectly. Both the front and rear signals had one extra wire than the stock light did, which is a ground wire, so I just taped that one off and left it since all of these lights are grounded to the main system by the way the are mounted. They are super bright for being old school filament bulbs.



I was able to screw these front stems right into the stock ground system lug nuts on each side on the interior of the lamp bucket, where the lamp mounts to the fork brackets.







Now this is my second set of signals and I am very happy with them. The first try was with a set of those no-name bullet light sets that everyone and their grandmother is selling on eBay. I got all four for $35, but they did not work out. Here are the first ones that I tried that did not work out:



First of all, the threads are slightly different than the stock headlamp bucket bolts, so they were not able to screw into the two stock ground system lugs on each side of the lamp bucket mount. Second, the included wires were tiny 20GA wires that were hard to work with, and did not include any connector ends at all. Lastly, the thread stems were pretty short, and the overall quality of the casing seems cheaper than the ones I got from Lockhart Phillips for just a bit more money ($40 total for all four).

I've also recently removed the already pealing and damaged decals from the gas tank and side covers, and I've given the side covers a once-over with some light sanding. I'll leave the tank and covers like this for awhile, and the plan is to eventually get them painted black. I am on the fence about whether I will go with flat or glossy black.





I also removed the plastic chain guard/cover, which helps the bike look a bit less cluttered underneath. I am trying to find a balance between simplifying the bike to make it look cleaner and feel lighter, while also keeping some of the stock look of the bike.

I finally get to go to the DMV to finish the registration process in the morning - that part has taken way too long!
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Re: 1978 CB550 Modifications
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2014, 07:43:51 PM »
Those signals remind me of the K&L signals:



They look so much better than the stock signals.

I vote for gloss black paint. Flat black will not flatter the bike as much with a bike that has as much chrome as yours. Flat black works better for a rat bike. Just my $0.02!
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Re: 1978 CB550 Modifications
« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2014, 07:44:47 PM »
Looks nice. Regarding your throttle/grip issue, you might check your cable. If it's aged or not well lubricated, the tension could be greater than it should be. If that's in good working order, than you could swap to a quick ratio throttle assembly. They'll turn farther faster, limiting how far you need to rotate the grip to achieve higher revs.

Of course your grips could be the issue, but check into these items as well.
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Re: 1978 CB550 Modifications
« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2014, 08:00:10 PM »
Racer Fan - LP has some signals just like the K&L ones you posted. I agree that they look much nicer than stock. As for the painting - I am leaning toward glossy black on the paint for the exact reasons you mention. Even the roughed up glossy black that is on there now looks pretty good with all the chrome.

calj737 - Thanks for those tips - that is super helpful. I have not really checked/lubed any of the cables yet, and that is a likely culprit. Good to know about the quick ratio assemblies. Once I find the solution I'll update on it.

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« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2014, 01:05:35 PM »
Nice job so far. Personally I think these bikes just look wrong with plain tanks and side covers. Stripping of some sort, even if it's not the original style, really dress it up. I also think a gloss paint looks better than flat 99% of the time.

I really like that tail light. Where did it come from?

I had euro bars on my '77, I really liked them and they were a huge improvement over the stock tall bars. Grip wise, try Randakk's 'Amazing Grips' I've had them on my last 3 bikes, so obviously I am a fan. http://randakks.com/collections/grips/products/randakks-amazing-grips
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« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2014, 09:16:17 PM »
Bankerdanny, I bought that tail light from a seller on eBay called CafeRacerX. I hear ya about the paint....I'm not in a rush to paint it, so I am trying out different colors and schemes in my mind :-) But so far, glossy black is how it's likely to play out. Cheers
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« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2014, 01:31:52 AM »
Iron - what handle bars are those?  Look real good.
What will you do with the old turn signal stalk?
+1 - if you don't like your grips, change them out.  My fav are Pro Grips, identical to the ones Danny posted above at half the cost.

http://www.amazon.com/Pro-Grip-Dual-Sport-Grips/dp/B001RTCPEW

I just bought a pair yesterday for my '78 550, quality grips made in Italy.
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« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2014, 08:57:25 AM »
Hey Stev-O, I got the bars from an online store called Cycle Recycle, and they have a decent variety of bars and lots of other parts. The ones I got are the "euro" style, which are in between 'superbike' and drag style bars as far as the rise and pullback are concerned. Here's the site: http://www.newmotorcycleparts.com/controls/handlebars.html

Not sure about the old stalks yet. The one on the left is bent a little, as I think the PO probably crashed the bike at some point. Next time I have the forks off, I'll see if there's a way I can replace them with something else...different headlamp bucket mounting brackets, dust covers, etc.

And thanks for the heads up on those grips...I'll check'em out! Cheers
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« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2014, 03:22:56 PM »
Thanks for the link on the bars, I may copy you...ha!

Reason I ask about the signal stalks is I have same issue, mine are bent.  Thinking about just taking them off, not sure how that will look though?
One fork ear is bent so I will be pulling the front end off next week.
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« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2014, 09:00:30 PM »
Stev-O - I could be wrong, but it looks like the signal stalks are connected to the same chrome bracket that holds the head lamp, so maybe that whole piece would have to be replaced? You'll probably get to it before me, so let me know if you're able to remove those stalks.
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« Reply #19 on: April 12, 2014, 05:31:09 AM »
Stev-O - I could be wrong, but it looks like the signal stalks are connected to the same chrome bracket that holds the head lamp, so maybe that whole piece would have to be replaced?

Yes, you are correct.  Guess my turn signals are going back on. 
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CB550 Resto-Mod Updates
« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2014, 08:00:28 PM »
It's time for a project update. Some of my recent CB550 mods include taking the tank down to bare metal and adding a clear coat, removing tank and side cover badges, adding bar end mirrors, and adding a custom seat. I also decided to switch back from my new Mac 4-into-1 exhaust to my original 4-into-4 system. In my opinion, the originals look and sound a hell of a lot better, and the bike runs perfectly again without having to re-jet the carbs. I'll continue to tweak and experiment with mods on this bike, but it's getting pretty close to the look and feel that I hoped to achieve - a balance between the original stock feel and a modified bike, without going full tilt cafe racer. Pics of latest mods below! Cheers






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Re: 1978 CB550 Modifications
« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2014, 08:30:25 PM »
That's a very nice seat cover on your 'Silver Rider'  :)

The cover has that Classic Beemer look to it  Nice.
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« Reply #22 on: May 31, 2014, 06:11:57 AM »
Ah.....that is not the original OEM exhaust, but I think you knew that? Bike looks great. 
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Re: 1978 CB550 Modifications
« Reply #23 on: May 31, 2014, 08:04:14 AM »
These are def the originals, name and part number are on them and this is what came on the '78K. The end cones have been cut off, though, so that makes 'em look different.
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Re: 1978 CB550 Modifications
« Reply #24 on: May 31, 2014, 08:13:05 AM »
'74 550 Build http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=126401.0
'73 500 Build http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=132935.0

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