Topic: not stolen

[GroovieGhoulie]

While I'd say it's relatively easy to buy a hunting rifle (to a point), buying a handgun is a completely different story. I've never personally bought either, so I'm not entirely sure. I know regardless what gun you get, you have to register it to your name, run a background check (no felons can own any gun), wait something like 8 weeks... I think you have to take a gun safety course in some states, or at least provide a "passed" certificate. Like I said, I've never had to buy one, though (still use my dad's Winchester .30-30 for deer hunting and my grandpa's WWII-era pump .22 short for everything else).

Not really.  Most places except NJ, CA and NY (among others) you walk in, plunk down your cash, pass an instant background check over the phone and walk out with your new gun.  Even handguns.

In Texas it's even easier if you have a concealed carry permit.  You get to skip the phone call.  So I fill out a one-page form, plunk down my cash, and take my gun with me.

Beautiful.

[aptech77]

You forgot IL, 

[GroovieGhoulie]

You forgot IL, 

Ah yes, Daley-land.  So sorry. 

[aptech77]

I HATE WAITING........

[ic455]

Nah mate, Tommyknockers I thought, but maybe it was "Needful things"? In one chapter there's a scene where a lady sells a raffle ticket to an old bastard who took great delight in telling her he'd wiped his ass on athe dollar note he paid with, to which she replied something like "Oh well, #$%* washes off".

I've got all his books here, but it's 30 degrees C (86 deg F) here in Oz today, so I'm not going to spend too much time looking for that passage when I can be out in my garage twirling spanners, ha ha! (gotta get that racer looking like a real bike!) Cheers, Terry.

I'm with you, there, take advantage of the weather while it lasts.  Do you even have "winter" there?

[Terry in Australia]

I'm with you, there, take advantage of the weather while it lasts.  Do you even have "winter" there?

Yeah mate, summer goes for about 9 months here, but to be fair to the rest of the world we still break our seasons into three month increments.

It's real hard to tell summer from spring or fall here, and so winter is officially called the first time we get more two days of  rain in a month, (which is good, it settles the dust) or someone is spotted wearing a long sleeve shirt, ha ha! Cheers, Terry.

[nickjtc]

It's real hard to tell summer from spring or fall here, and so winter is officially called the first time we get more two days of  rain in a month, (which is good, it settles the dust) or someone is spotted wearing a long sleeve shirt, ha ha! Cheers, Terry.

B@$(@*d for mentioning that, Terry, again!

[Terry in Australia]

B@$(@*d for mentioning that, Terry, again!

Ooops................. Did I mention it's already Friday here, and I've taken a "sickie" so my weekend starts now? He he, once my sons go off to work and the driveway is clear of cars, I'm gonna pull one of my bikes out of the garage and go for a blast, ha ha!

[nickjtc]

B@$(@*d for mentioning that, Terry, again!

Ooops................. Did I mention it's already Friday here, and I've taken a "sickie" so my weekend starts now? He he, once my sons go off to work and the driveway is clear of cars, I'm gonna pull one of my bikes out of the garage and go for a blast, ha ha!

And so it goes in the land down under! Because I might be lambasted for making the same comment more than twice I'll just go and sulk in the corner, in a fit of jealous pique.

[Terry in Australia]

And so it goes in the land down under! Because I might be lambasted for making the same comment more than twice I'll just go and sulk in the corner, in a fit of jealous pique.

Mmmnnnn......... lamb, basted, mmnnnnn..................

[GraveRobber]

<-------------- remains of stolen bike.   

How to buy hand gun. Go to gun show, look for person walking around to sell old gun. hand him cash. Walk out. No paper work, no waiting period. That's how I bought my Ruger.

A lead injection might not be the answer but it cuts down on second offenses.

[ic455]

<-------------- remains of stolen bike.   

How to buy hand gun. Go to gun show, look for person walking around to sell old gun. hand him cash. Walk out. No paper work, no waiting period. That's how I bought my Ruger.

A lead injection might not be the answer but it cuts down on second offenses.

While that scenario is a possibility in your smaller towns and such, I must add that many large gun shows in larger cities (or on the outskirts thereof) still perform a background check at the least.  An example is a gun/knife show I went to near Atlanta, GA in 1999 wherein all sellers were equipped with laptops and connected to the net in order to conduct this business.  Of course, if a weapon is over a certain age it is considered an antique instead of a firearm and traditional "gun laws" do not apply.

[Terry in Australia]

Anyone got any "antique" handguns lying around, gathering dust? I wanty!

[ic455]

Anyone got any "antique" handguns lying around, gathering dust? I wanty!

Nothing anymore, sold all last couple years ago due to hard-times
I just use rocks, now antique rocks

[Terry in Australia]

Anyone got any "antique" handguns lying around, gathering dust? I wanty!

Nothing anymore, sold all last couple years ago due to hard-times
I just use rocks, now antique rocks

Soooooo.............. how much do you want for a couple of them antique rocks mate? Ha ha, Cheers, Terry.

[racing33]

The last time I bought a firearm was at a gun show. I went in found what I wanted, paid cash, and walked out with my firearm. No paper work was filled out or anything. If a person really wants a handgun and can get it legally, then it as easy as going to the right person to get the handgun. Gun laws ONLY stop law abiding citizens from owning a gun, period. The common crook does not give two rats asses about any gun law that is passed or enacted. We have passed many firearm laws but if I am not mistaken crimes committed with a firearms have not been reduced at all, in fact I believe crimes committed with a firearm have steadily been on the rise.
Bruce
 

[nickjtc]

The last time I bought a firearm was at a gun show. I went in found what I wanted, paid cash, and walked out with my firearm. No paper work was filled out or anything. If a person really wants a handgun and can get it legally, then it as easy as going to the right person to get the handgun. Gun laws ONLY stop law abiding citizens from owning a gun, period. The common crook does not give two rats asses about any gun law that is passed or enacted. We have passed many firearm laws but if I am not mistaken crimes committed with a firearms have not been reduced at all, in fact I believe crimes committed with a firearm have steadily been on the rise.
Bruce

But isn't the whole point about doing it 'legally' that there is a paper trail to the weapon, so that if it is used in a crime then ownership can be established?

How would you feel if you had obtained a weapon 'illegally' and it was lost/stolen/whatever and used by a thug to commit a crime, or worse still, to kill someone. Now the victims of said crime (or their surviving relatives) will stand little chance of justice happening because the weapon is untraceable.

Yes, the vast majority of violent crimes are committed by people who do not care about the law and who obtain their weapons illegally. Why would anyone else want to be a party to that scenario.....?

My perspective: I've never owned a weapon. Never will. They do nasty things to people. Not everyone who can obtain one is emotionally or mentally capable of accepting the responsibility of ownership. I used to be a gunnery officer, working with Air Cadets in England, using .22, .303 and 7.62 rifles. Call me a wuss, deluded, or whatever, but I actually believe that my police force will protect me. I live in a society where violent crime is the exception rather than the rule.

My 44 cents worth. (4 cents + inflation.)

[Terry in Australia]

Actually Nick, most of the gun related homocides in the US are committed by "ordinary citizens", with only minor, if any, crime history, for example, the spate of school shootings carried out by dickhead kids or nutbags with no criminal history.

I'm not frightened of criminals, they only use weapons when they have to as a means to an end, whereas "civilians" are far less predictable. Cheers, Terry.

[GraveRobber]

<-------------- remains of stolen bike.   

How to buy hand gun. Go to gun show, look for person walking around to sell old gun. hand him cash. Walk out. No paper work, no waiting period. That's how I bought my Ruger.

A lead injection might not be the answer but it cuts down on second offenses.

While that scenario is a possibility in your smaller towns and such, I must add that many large gun shows in larger cities (or on the outskirts thereof) still perform a background check at the least.  An example is a gun/knife show I went to near Atlanta, GA in 1999 wherein all sellers were equipped with laptops and connected to the net in order to conduct this business.  Of course, if a weapon is over a certain age it is considered an antique instead of a firearm and traditional "gun laws" do not apply.

I was talking about someone walking into the gunshow to sell a gun. Not a dealer.

[ic455]

<-------------- remains of stolen bike.   

How to buy hand gun. Go to gun show, look for person walking around to sell old gun. hand him cash. Walk out. No paper work, no waiting period. That's how I bought my Ruger.

A lead injection might not be the answer but it cuts down on second offenses.

While that scenario is a possibility in your smaller towns and such, I must add that many large gun shows in larger cities (or on the outskirts thereof) still perform a background check at the least.  An example is a gun/knife show I went to near Atlanta, GA in 1999 wherein all sellers were equipped with laptops and connected to the net in order to conduct this business.  Of course, if a weapon is over a certain age it is considered an antique instead of a firearm and traditional "gun laws" do not apply.

I was talking about someone walking into the gunshow to sell a gun. Not a dealer.

and I said sellers, not dealers

[ic455]

Just another little addition to the idea of buying guns without doing any paperwork:  What will you do if you purchase said handgun not knowing where it came from or how many bodies are on it?  Let's say you take that weapon to a gunsmith because the firing pin breaks.  Well, he needs to run the serial number to get a new firing pin(provided the # hasn't been filed off).  Now this is where things could go either way.  The gunsmith gets your new part and installs it, then calls you to pick up your gun.  OR the gunsmith is an ex-cop (I've known alot of gunsmiths that are just that) and everytime he runs a serial # for a part he also runs it in the stolen weapons database, or maybe he just does that anyway because he's a nosy fella.  If it comes back stolen you lost your gun and maybe get in trouble for receiving stolen property.  Maybe the serial # is filed off, well that's just suspicious, so a ballistics test is performed and checked against unsolved murders involving that caliber handgun.....can you guess how long it takes to prove your innocence?

The big advisement here is;  If you're going to purchase a weapon for any reason (other than illegal ones) do so only from someone who can document said purchase.  Even if it is only a receipt showing their name and yours and the date of purchase.  That little receipt could save your butt.

Final thought:  If you pull out a gun to shoot a thief, make sure you are comfortable with doing so.  If you choke and don't pull the trigger, chances are HE WILL.
In all possible confrontations, if the attacker/thief/etc. has no firearm, I'd much prefer to engage him hand-to-hand. 
What ever happened to the good old days when two guys could beat the crap out of each other and call it good?  Obviously this doesn't pertain to issues of home invasion, in such cases the intruder usually has a firearm and the only way out is to shoot first.  Specifically, though, in the case of someone stealing your bike, wouldn't a severe beating get the point across a little better?  Guys brag about being shot, they don't brag about getting the #$%* beat out of them.

[Terry in Australia]

Bullet holes are cool!

[aptech77]

Hand to hand is for real men, but putting a few holes in him with one from my selection,.....( I would use me DPMS M4 for good measure)..would be more fun and a free show for the neighbors......sound effects included.   

[ic455]

Hand to hand is for real men, but putting a few holes in him with one from my selection,.....( I would use me DPMS M4 for good measure)..would be more fun and a free show for the neighbors......sound effects included.   

I've got a P-36 Explosive Space Modulator that'll blast a hole in anything 

[seaweb11]

"<-------------- remains of stolen bike. "  
How to buy hand gun. Go to gun show, look for person walking around to sell old gun. hand him cash. Walk out. No paper work, no waiting period. That's how I bought my Ruger.

Revised version:
How to get a wife. Go on a Cruise, look for beautiful woman walking around to get laid. hand her a drink. Walk out. No paper work, no waiting period. That's how I got my wife.

god I kill myself sometimes