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Re: GV1390's Trattoria "Racer" round 2!
« Reply #50 on: February 19, 2015, 08:34:49 AM »
GV... sorry to change the subject, but I see you got a carb heat shield from MotoGP Werks.  Chris also threw one in with my 550 exhaust.  Have you used one of these before?  I'm curious how the shield may affect jetting.  Will I have to jet richer since the air is cooler/denser?  Or are the affects so minimal it won't make a difference?

Also, I've noticed guys that run these on race bikes have a rubber trim around theirs to help keep the materials mated.  (picture attached) Is this something I should consider doing?

If anybody has pictures of a heat shield installed on their SOHC, I would love to see it!  Thanks in advance, and sorry for the hijack!
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Re: GV1390's Trattoria "Racer" round 2!
« Reply #51 on: February 19, 2015, 09:38:19 AM »
Not the best idea to support the motor by the exhaust studs there, Chief.

I knew you'd say that, glad I'm not using that head though! ha.
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Re: GV1390's Trattoria "Racer" round 2!
« Reply #52 on: February 19, 2015, 09:40:07 AM »
GV... sorry to change the subject, but I see you got a carb heat shield from MotoGP Werks.  Chris also threw one in with my 550 exhaust.  Have you used one of these before?  I'm curious how the shield may affect jetting.  Will I have to jet richer since the air is cooler/denser?  Or are the affects so minimal it won't make a difference?

Also, I've noticed guys that run these on race bikes have a rubber trim around theirs to help keep the materials mated.  (picture attached) Is this something I should consider doing?

If anybody has pictures of a heat shield installed on their SOHC, I would love to see it!  Thanks in advance, and sorry for the hijack!

No offense taken.

I'm not sure exactly how effective the heat shields are, I've never seen them on CB's until he included one truthfully. As far as jetting is concerned, that's something as with any modification will need to be tested on the actual bike with the mods, hence why these are a million different threads with different size jets on everything.
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Re: GV1390's Trattoria "Racer" round 2!
« Reply #53 on: February 19, 2015, 11:55:17 AM »
I knew YOU'd say that, and I agree. Never know until you tear into it.  Are you going to use yours? Any thoughts on the rubber trim idea?
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Re: GV1390's Trattoria "Racer" round 2!
« Reply #54 on: February 19, 2015, 12:20:26 PM »
Yes I will be using mine. The rubber doesn't look bad, I'd probably figure something of some sort out but won't know until I get there, haha.
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Re: GV1390's Trattoria "Racer" round 2!
« Reply #55 on: February 19, 2015, 12:25:19 PM »
Yes I will be using mine. The rubber doesn't look bad, I'd probably figure something of some sort out but won't know until I get there, haha.

You mean to tell me the heat shield isn't at the top of your priority list? Shame! Kidding... Keep up the good work. Looks great so far!
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Re: GV1390's Trattoria "Racer" round 2!
« Reply #56 on: February 19, 2015, 12:28:15 PM »
Thank you!
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Re: GV1390's Trattoria "Racer" round 2!
« Reply #57 on: February 20, 2015, 09:48:47 AM »
All the pieces I had coated in one picture:



Engine is getting paint tonight, tires will be mounted on Sunday. Woot woot.
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Re: GV1390's Trattoria "Racer" round 2!
« Reply #58 on: February 20, 2015, 10:44:49 AM »
Looking real good!

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Re: GV1390's Trattoria "Racer" round 2!
« Reply #59 on: February 23, 2015, 05:47:49 AM »
Thanks!

Short block got some paint, not bad for a rattle can "hodge-podge" job.







Mounted the tires with some help from Nick:



Test fit the seat and tank combo for the first time with the rubber mounts in, pretty nice fitment:





My powder-coated pieces should be in tomorrow. Then I have to find some new rings hopefully today and order them, hone the jugs and start the final assembly of the long block.
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Re: GV1390's Trattoria "Racer" round 2!
« Reply #60 on: February 23, 2015, 08:56:43 AM »
Looking killer G! Glad you found some STD piston rings too. This thing is going to be dialled.
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Re: GV1390's Trattoria "Racer" round 2!
« Reply #61 on: March 10, 2015, 07:13:02 AM »
Not much of an update as I recently picked up another project....but the bike will get done before I start it anyway...

Ran into some issues with paint on my short block....some of the paint flaked off, the only thing I can think of is, I used self etching primer BUT from my understanding you're supposed to let it dry for 30mins then apply your paint. I let the primer sit for a week then I scuffed it with a scotch-brite pad, cleaned it and sprayed on top.

Anyone have any suggestions? I really don't want to re-blast the entire thing especially because in all other areas it looks solid.

Other project I spoke of:

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Re: GV1390's Trattoria "Racer" round 2!
« Reply #62 on: March 10, 2015, 07:56:28 AM »
You cannot clean the surface of the bare metal enough before primer and paint. Sorry to tell you, but I agree with Cal. Start over.
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Re: GV1390's Trattoria "Racer" round 2!
« Reply #63 on: March 10, 2015, 08:14:26 AM »
Yeah not sure how to clean out 40 years of grime from every pore in the aluminum. I cleaned and cleaned and cleaned. I am also thinking that the temps were too cold for it to adhere properly.
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Re: GV1390's Trattoria "Racer" round 2!
« Reply #64 on: March 10, 2015, 08:43:39 AM »
Just leave it chipped. It adds character. :P
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Re: GV1390's Trattoria "Racer" round 2!
« Reply #65 on: March 10, 2015, 09:20:33 AM »
Yeah not sure how to clean out 40 years of grime from every pore in the aluminum. I cleaned and cleaned and cleaned. I am also thinking that the temps were too cold for it to adhere properly.

I'm not sure about temperature, but as for cleaning, you should use acetone to wipe each surface just prior to paint.  As for prep, if the motor is fully disassembled, you can blast it with soda, glass/plastic beads or sand.  If the motor is not fully disassembled, scrub it with Simple Green and a wire brush and green Scotch Brite pads.  It sucks doing it the manual way.
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Re: GV1390's Trattoria "Racer" round 2!
« Reply #66 on: March 12, 2015, 06:32:14 AM »
I am in the process of soda blasting it AGAIN.

I didn't want to tear down the short block so I added the spare jug/head I had laying around to blast it. I used acetone to clean it the first time. Hopefully this time will be my last with some extra attention to detail. I do think the temps in my shop were deff too cold though.
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Re: GV1390's Trattoria "Racer" round 2!
« Reply #67 on: March 12, 2015, 06:44:47 AM »
Hope you use acetone to clean it after soda blasting.

I actually spray paint while soda blasting, it's a good look.
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Re: GV1390's Trattoria "Racer" round 2!
« Reply #68 on: March 12, 2015, 08:54:42 AM »
I am in the process of soda blasting it AGAIN.

I didn't want to tear down the short block so I added the spare jug/head I had laying around to blast it. I used acetone to clean it the first time. Hopefully this time will be my last with some extra attention to detail. I do think the temps in my shop were deff too cold though.


Same thing happened to me when I soda blasted and painted my engine, and I took every damn precaution I could, cleaned it several times with soapy water and acetone and it STILL flaked.  I ended up just getting the engine vapor blasted. 

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Re: GV1390's Trattoria "Racer" round 2!
« Reply #69 on: March 25, 2015, 05:30:44 AM »
Bump.

So after re-soda blasting it yet again, I removed the spare head/jugs I had on it, wire-wheeled it a bunch and pretty much soaked it in acetone before paint. Same paint was used, just with no primer this time and very light coats. Seems to be holding up pretty good so far.

Re-ringed and cleaned the pistons along with a hone jobs on the jugs and started with the assembly.













In the process I also installed a new cam chain along with all new gaskets.







Can't say thank you enough to Sinister92 for helping out a ton on getting it to this point.

The swing arm also recieved new bronze bushings....the frame and swingarm are getting painted this week. Next up is to make this thing a roller after a few more small odds and ends.
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Re: GV1390's Trattoria "Racer" round 2!
« Reply #70 on: March 25, 2015, 05:32:50 AM »
Bump.

So after re-soda blasting it yet again, I removed the spare head/jugs I had on it, wire-wheeled it a bunch and pretty much soaked it in acetone before paint. Same paint was used, just with no primer this time and very light coats. Seems to be holding up pretty good so far.

Re-ringed and cleaned the pistons along with a hone job on the jugs and started with the assembly.













In the process I also installed a new cam chain along with all new gaskets.







Can't say thank you enough to Sinister92 for helping out a ton on getting it to this point.

The swing arm also recieved new bronze bushings....the frame and swingarm are getting painted this week. Next up is to make this thing a roller after a few more small odds and ends.
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Re: GV1390's Trattoria "Racer" round 2!
« Reply #71 on: March 25, 2015, 05:47:23 AM »
I sure hope you cleaned the block deck completely of the old gasket material before you assembled the engine. Your picture showed quite a bit of debris still attached...

Everything was cleaned before assembly, of course that includes removing ANY old gasket material, grease, grime, debris, etc....

Hope others enjoy my hackery.
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Re: GV1390's Trattoria "Racer" round 2!
« Reply #72 on: March 25, 2015, 06:42:27 AM »
All of our advice and warnings come from bad experiences from ourselves and fellow members. We just don't want you to have to learn the hard and sometime expensive way.   ;)

That said, keep on it!

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Re: GV1390's Trattoria "Racer" round 2!
« Reply #73 on: March 25, 2015, 06:49:58 AM »
after I looked over the block for gennaro, It was pretty obvious the primer didn't adhere to the aluminum. I think the mismatch in products may have caused that, or the fact that there was a 2-week wait between primer and paint.....even with a re-scuff it's just spraypaint, and I bet the silver re-wet the primer and caused it to lose adhesion. that coupled with temperatures too cold for proper cure....and bam, flaking paint. After he soda-blasted it all back down to metal, he brought it to my shop where I wire-wheeled the whole thing, scotch-brighted it, and sprayed it down with degreaser and acetone. Then finally a few light and even coats of paint and it looks great....so long as it doesn't get any chemicals on it, it should be fine.

We also took a few extra precautions in re-assembly. I had noticed two or three small nics in the gasket surface for the head and I wet-sanded them back flat with a block and 320 grit paper. We also sprayed both sides of the base and head gaskets with copper spray. All in all, the assembly ended up going fairly smoothly aside from figuring out the rear tensioner is best put in place before the jugs are all the way flush with the cases. With all the oil leaks Gennaro experienced on his last two 550's, he isn't taking any chances lol. I assume I'll be back over his shop when he wants to install the motor, last thing he needs is a scratch or gouge in all that fresh paint and powdercoat.

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Re: GV1390's Trattoria "Racer" round 2!
« Reply #74 on: March 25, 2015, 08:04:33 AM »
Sounds pretty thorough. Any reason why you did not replace the stock cylinder studs with HD studs?
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