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Offline Toolmaker

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Ok so I am looking at the choke side of the carbs, I notice that in order for me to have a somewhat decent bench sync, I have to have the 3rd carb screw (from the left side) about 1/8" higher than the others. Is there a reason for this or am I doing something wrong here? I can see that the throttle arm is about 1/8" higher than its mate. The other side is fine. I remember reading something about one carb had some special adjustment and you dialed in the other carbs off that one but I wasnt sure which one or if I read that correctly. I took pics to show whats going on.

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FIRST....set all of those screws to the MIDDLE of their total travel range
Then, make your bench sync adjustments from UNDER the coffin top caps.  You might have to match all of them to your #2 carb if its the slave carb.
You only adjust those screws when doing a vacuum sync.
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There is no "master" carb on those style carbs.  On PD style carbs (77-78) #2 is the master.  On your set, the "master" can be any carb you want it to be.

Now, if you are synced well and have range of adjustment from the correct position in relation to the idle set screw, then it's not that big a deal what you're showing.  If you look at the lifter arms they are often bent down or up which is basically what can cause the variation.  They get bent in, out, side to side, sometimes they touch each other in the middle and bind a little bit.  They are not an exact part, but they don't have to be, because it's adjusted with the individual adjusters.

Really the fool proof way to do this is (and I've been meaning to make a video of it for the longest time):  We'll use a 1/8" drill bit for the example tool from airbox side.  Get all the slides off "the deck" that way nothing will bind and throw everything else off.  Designate #2 the master.  Back off the idle screw so it's not making contact.  Now get the nut on #2 to where it has about the normal amount of threads showing like you want on your picture on the right (3-4 threads, 4 is good).  Now here's where the foolproof part comes in:  You have only set where you know the threads at the top are a perfectly acceptable honda factory level.  None of the other slides are BELOW the level of #2 (which would mess this up).  Now, adjust #2 with the IDLE SET SCREW with your drill bit (just close).  Verify range of motion IN and OUT with the idle adjust screw (should be making contact with the stop when turning in and out for providing a reasonable range of adjustment).  Next, fine adjust #2 with your drill bit (or whatever).  Now you are going to have for sure the sync set IN RELATION to the idle screw.  In other words, you're not going to get them all synced to each other only to find when you adjust the idle screw it's not even touching and you have no adjustment!  Now all you have to do is set the rest to the same level as #2 (adjust each with the individual adjuster, you don't need to really mess with the main idle adjust now).  Easy!

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Damn yall are too full of knowledge! I got halfway through  trying to realign them and had to get back to work. Ill try some more once I get my machine going. Thanks!!!

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Really the fool proof way to do this is (and I've been meaning to make a video of it for the longest time):  We'll use a 1/8" drill bit for the example tool from airbox side.  Get all the slides off "the deck" that way nothing will bind and throw everything else off.  Designate #2 the master.  Back off the idle screw so it's not making contact.  Now get the nut on #2 to where it has about the normal amount of threads showing like you want on your picture on the right (3-4 threads, 4 is good).  Now here's where the foolproof part comes in:  You have only set where you know the threads at the top are a perfectly acceptable honda factory level.  None of the other slides are BELOW the level of #2 (which would mess this up).  Now, adjust #2 with the IDLE SET SCREW with your drill bit (just close).  Verify range of motion IN and OUT with the idle adjust screw (should be making contact with the stop when turning in and out for providing a reasonable range of adjustment).  Next, fine adjust #2 with your drill bit (or whatever).  Now you are going to have for sure the sync set IN RELATION to the idle screw.  In other words, you're not going to get them all synced to each other only to find when you adjust the idle screw it's not even touching and you have no adjustment!  Now all you have to do is set the rest to the same level as #2 (adjust each with the individual adjuster, you don't need to really mess with the main idle adjust now).  Easy!

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Yes it sure helped! But I think I got em pretty close now. Hopefully I can get them installed here soon!!

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Toolmaker, once you get it running, I have a set of vacuum gauges you can use to really dial it in if you need to.
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Harisuluv, video!

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Thanks Scott. I believe I talked to you over email the other day. Ill take you up on that offer if I ever get it running. I need to get the hoses and such sorted out. Speaking of hoses, I see two nipples in between the two center carbs and it looks like they are for vacuum or something. Where do those run? I purchased this bike with the carbs already off so I have no clue how everything went together.

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You can just attach 3.5mm line on those two nipples and route them out of the way.

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Re: CB550k Bench sync going wrong (one adjustment screw higher than others)
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2015, 04:57:10 AM »
 Those hoses are just breathers. They allow the float bowls to fill. The hoses are ~8" long or so and just hang down toward the rear of the bike.
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Re: CB550k Bench sync going wrong (one adjustment screw higher than others)
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2015, 05:05:58 AM »
 Harisuluv, you have an email...
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