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Re: How bad is your bike for the environment?
« Reply #26 on: October 18, 2006, 11:29:14 AM »
Is there a Cliff Notes version?  ;D
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Re: How bad is your bike for the environment?
« Reply #27 on: October 18, 2006, 09:10:05 PM »
I agree with Bob, I'm a Chemist and I was bored with that article....
Of course it could be that i just dont care about it that much

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Re: How bad is your bike for the environment?
« Reply #28 on: October 18, 2006, 09:23:54 PM »
This post reminds me of a bumper sticker from the 80's.The tree hugger #$%*s that wanted to cut the hell out of the logging industry in northern California to save the spotted owls.The sticker read something like....After you cut back on the logging and have to take a #$%*...try wiping your butt with a spotted owl!! They put so damn many people out of work with that one!!!
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Re: How bad is your bike for the environment?
« Reply #29 on: October 19, 2006, 09:34:54 AM »
i hate hippies, how can ou want to save the rainforsts and kill babies at the same time...








how many will this topic piss off I wonder to myself...


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Re: How bad is your bike for the environment?
« Reply #30 on: October 19, 2006, 09:36:49 AM »
cause both solve the problem of too much consumption of natural resources maybe?

still, seems slightly less hypocritical than pro-life&&pro death penalty.
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Re: How bad is your bike for the environment?
« Reply #31 on: October 19, 2006, 03:21:38 PM »
When we're looking at the impact on the enviroment, think about the amount of energy and raw materials that go into producing a new car/bike.  We're riding bikes that were 30 years old, not just following the consumer culture and buying new.

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Firstly, that's a very important point. The amount of energy used up in the production of a new vehicle is of course extremely hard to measure, and something that no manufacturer is going to want to admit to anyway. It's not comparable to the little energy involved in keeping an old bike on the road. The environmental importance of extended use rather than re-cycle and re-manufacture are rarely taken seriously enough by the green movements and/or govts.   

Secondly, fuel efficiency. That's a very detailed link and shows some large variation between models, interesting indeed. It's worth remembering that if we took every single vehicle off the roads then we would still produce over 80% of the CO2 we produce now. We also produce considerably less CO2 as a nation than we did around 1960 (these statistics apply to the UK).

Thirdly, local environmental impacts; all activity should be considered by it's affect on the local environment too. For instance, if you could convince all the people in your area to take up biking, you'd have no more traffic jams (impacting upon the urban environment especially). Indeed, every time you use a bike instead of a car, you're reducing congestion and helping improve all the other road-users miles per gallon.   

Fourthly, you feel guilty about going for a ride just for the sake of it? Everything we do uses energy. Sit around watching TV & you're burning up electricity, heating/aircon , etc - get a few thousand of you doing that & you need a power station to keep you going. 50000 people go to a football match, how do they get there- by using energy in their cars, trains and buses. I say keep riding.

 

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Re: How bad is your bike for the environment?
« Reply #32 on: October 19, 2006, 09:18:18 PM »
still, seems slightly less hypocritical than pro-life&&pro death penalty.

Thats a good point i had to deal with, My boss talked me out of the death penalty, now I am for life in prison with daily torture regiment
of this i am serious, but only for the violent crimes, murder, attempted murder, Rape, etc...
they are in prison seems to me they should be punnished notr getting degrees and watching cable.

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Re: How bad is your bike for the environment?
« Reply #33 on: October 20, 2006, 06:01:36 AM »
Thats a good point i had to deal with, My boss talked me out of the death penalty, now I am for life in prison with daily torture regiment
of this i am serious, but only for the violent crimes, murder, attempted murder, Rape, etc...
they are in prison seems to me they should be punnished notr getting degrees and watching cable.

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wow.  i'm actually, for once, sort of agreeing with you.*

definitely a "life in prison" guy, definitely would like to see pederasses get what they deserve.  although i am a believer in the Aristotelian idea that a society can be judged by how it treats it's prisoners.  if you're in prison for life, and you see whatever light there is, and decide to better yourself, great....but you're staying in prison.  for ever.


*rsnip, we're obviously two very different kinds of dudes--except for our love of old bikes, and the inordinate amount of time we seem to have to kill at work--but glad we can sort it out with a bit of civility.
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Re: How bad is your bike for the environment?
« Reply #34 on: October 20, 2006, 06:55:28 AM »
No one ever subjected to the death penalty has ever committed another crime......

Just a hijack thought  ;D
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Re: How bad is your bike for the environment?
« Reply #35 on: October 20, 2006, 06:58:10 AM »
No one ever subjected to the death penalty has ever committed another crime......


but some people who've committed no crime have been subjected to the death penalty.
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Re: How bad is your bike for the environment?
« Reply #36 on: October 20, 2006, 07:00:09 AM »
No one ever subjected to the death penalty has ever committed another crime......


but some people who've committed no crime have been subjected to the death penalty.

Sadly they are not around to lodge a complaint.
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Re: How bad is your bike for the environment?
« Reply #37 on: October 20, 2006, 07:01:15 AM »
good point.
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Re: How bad is your bike for the environment?
« Reply #38 on: October 20, 2006, 07:22:50 AM »
Death penalty means no longer being "bubba's #$%*"! ;D

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Re: How bad is your bike for the environment?
« Reply #39 on: October 20, 2006, 07:56:08 AM »
The probablilty of gang rape in prison has kept me on the straight and narrow.  Law enforcement should get some billboards and promote that angle to troubled youths. 

Speaking of the death penalty...on Monday there was a guy scheduled for lethal injection.  He'd been on death row for 10 years.  A few hours before the execution, he committed suicide by cutting both his wrists and juggular.  Can't say I follow his logic, but I imagine it really messes with your head to know the time is coming.

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Re: How bad is your bike for the environment?
« Reply #40 on: October 20, 2006, 08:00:48 AM »
yeah, the threat  of "federal pound you in the ass prison" is a pretty good deterant.
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Re: How bad is your bike for the environment?
« Reply #41 on: October 20, 2006, 08:14:35 AM »
God I love that movie.

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Re: How bad is your bike for the environment?
« Reply #42 on: October 21, 2006, 01:18:03 AM »
I was thinking of volunteering to be a torturer if they would allow such a thing,

Hang them upside down and let me use them as a punching bag for a few minutes,

you know that sort of thing, no nut electrodes we have to keep it civil, no "cruel and unusual punishment" on my watch



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Re: How bad is your bike for the environment?
« Reply #43 on: October 21, 2006, 09:11:20 PM »
The big thing to realise is that most pedophiles and rapists end up dead anyway, at the hands of their fellow inmates.  Rapists deserve it.  It's almost fitting for pedophiles, as long as the other inmates beat them and punk them numerous times first.  I tell ya'll the truth, I'd rather give a murderer a good meal than give a pedophile one ounce of leniency.  IMHO pedophiles are the worst kind of scum there is.