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Offline pzarro21

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Black smoke..cb550
« on: May 14, 2015, 08:43:11 AM »
HI everyone as you can tell im new here and im having some issues. I bought a 78 cb550 with open headers (i know they suck) and pod filters. well she starts up fine but at idle any rpm its blowing some black smoke and covering the right side of my bike in soot. I did also notice that one of the head pipes up close to cylinder is not as hot at the other three,even after replacing the spark plugs. Well i took the carbs off the seem pretty clean but i will clean them. The current settings are 110 main stock press in pilot, clip on the needle at the highest position(Furthest away from needle tip), and idle screws at 2 turns. FYI i have 90 mains and 120's that came in a box with the bike. ill also check the float levels, if i can remember correctly you measure from the end of the float opposite from the piviot and up the bottom of the carb body and set 12.5mm, correct me if im wrong. So if anyone had suggestions on this jetting set up right now that would be greatly appreciated. 

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Re: Black smoke..cb550
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2015, 09:04:58 AM »
 if there is an excessive amount of gasoline in the charge, the fact will be manifested by black smoke in the exhaust.   in your situation, jetting will most likely be trial and error until you get it right.  start with getting the idle proper, then the needle and if you do wide open riding, playing with the main is last....but very hard on an old engine not in tip top shape.  If you have a dyno available with a tuner pro used by the racers in the area, it's good money well spent to let them use their exhaust analyzer to set you up correctly.
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Re: Black smoke..cb550
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2015, 09:54:13 AM »
Black smoke indicates a rich condition, so you don't have enough air flow. I'd recommend setting the carbs back to stock settings to get a more understandable baseline, then doing plug chops and further tuning from there.

+1 on they dyno runs, you can get a bike really dialed in that way
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Re: Black smoke..cb550
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2015, 10:08:41 AM »
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and pod filters.

Sorry mate, you are screwed. It will always be a compromise with pods, either it does not run right at idle, or it does not run right at speed.

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Re: Black smoke..cb550
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2015, 12:56:52 PM »
Your situation is pretty interesting, and I say that because on paper that bike should run way lean and here is why:

1.  The main jet at 110 is about right for the setup.  With pods it's going to really necessitate jet changes.  Main jet, however only dominates 3/4 to WOT and so is not the majority of throttle range you would use.

2.  The needle clip has been changed from stock (2) to (if I'm reading correctly, slot 1:  "furthest from the tip of the needle).  This means that it has actually been made leaner that stock settings.  However, you are running rich.  IMO the needle should be set to middle position (3rd).

3.  IMO and from experience I have had seeing what people do, this needle position was probably a flailing attempt at trying to cure the rich condition.  In a way it's kind of the right idea, but it's just wrong and will cause other problems and really screw up your power band.

4.  Bike came with other jets, this supports PO was really trying to tune the carbs, unsuccessfully.  By the time you got it, it's just random settings trying to compensate for other wrong/random settings.

5.  Like I said though, on paper it should be running lean, the fact that you are putting out black smoke (sure it's not blueish?  dark black, right?)  actually leads me to think that you got other internal problems, top end, compression, leaking oil "pucks", ignition, etc.

6.  Also, check to see if your brass carb components are real Kei Hin, not cheap chinese garbage. 

7.  Write down what your mixture screws are set at.

What I would recommend you do first:

1.  Check for vacuum leaks.  Do a thorough job, cause if you spray half assed and then call it clean bill of health, you will be moving on from this step and when you are 20 steps later, if it turns out you had a vacuum leak, well that's gonna your fault.

2.  You probably have fouled plugs, first thing you should do is replace them.  You won't get anywhere diagnosing anything with foul plugs.  If they are done you wouldn't even know it cause your plugs are all sooted up.  Get new plugs, then run the bike and diagnose.  If they foul up again, you know have a baseline of verified data to start at.  Take pictures of the old plugs, and then pictures of the new plugs after running them.  This will give you what you need:  actual data.  When you grasp at straws and just change things randomly you end up like the previous owner, frustrated and getting rid of the bike.

2.  Test the ignition voltages.  This is something easy you can do so try it first.

3.  Your carb settings are wrong, so you will need to adjust them eventually.  That needle needs to be changed.  IMO your settings for PD46C carbs should/good starting point would be:

-110 main jet
-Needle position 3rd position from top (2nd position is stock)
-stock slow jet
-air screws 1.5 out and adjusted accordingly

Finally, pictures, pictures, pictures, pictures, pictures.  Post pictures.  Clear.  Well framed, lighted pictures.  You will progress magnitudes faster. 
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Re: Black smoke..cb550
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2015, 12:59:22 PM »

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and pod filters.

Sorry mate, you are screwed. It will always be a compromise with pods, either it does not run right at idle, or it does not run right at speed.

That's the view of some here. Many of us use pods/velocity stacks with success. Don't get discouraged.


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