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Blue vs. Green
« on: May 22, 2015, 02:46:07 AM »
 For the longest time, I've wanted a Candy Jade Green CB550. And then I saw the color Planet Blue Metaillic. And while looking at Google images of that, I found Candy Sapphire Blue. Decisions, decisions....

 Can you post pics of your bike if you have one in any of these colors? A picture that truly best represents the actual color, since sun, angle, etc., all have an effect on how they appear?
 Tell me if it's factory paint or a respray. If it's a respray, where did you get the paint? Was it off a modern car that "close enough" or a custom mix?





 Planet Blue


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Re: Blue vs. Green
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2015, 10:12:37 AM »
Jade and Sapphire.  two of my favorite colors  8)
I dont think you could go wrong with either.
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Re: Blue vs. Green
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2015, 10:21:25 AM »
If you can't decide, candy blue green!
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Re: Blue vs. Green
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2015, 11:38:47 AM »
That's my bike above with the Honda Planet Blue Metallic.  It was not offered as a factory color that model that year. 

I purchased the paint from RS Motobike paint (they are located in the UK but ship to the US).  Their paints are water-based.  http://www.rsbikepaint.com/en-us/shop-paints.php?colourscheme=3963&6847=on

You can also get Planet Blue Metallic from VMR.  Not water-based but the price is almost double.
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Re: Blue vs. Green
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2015, 11:57:58 AM »
75 CB550F - Candy Sapphire Blue


The tank is original paint. The side covers may have been repainted with a different color, but they are awfully close.




But I'm bad. I'm repainting it a GM blue. (Grey matches my powdercoated frame color). The Sapphire blue was just a bit too light of a color for that grey.
I was planning on paining it Medium Quasar Blue Metallic (GM 80), but I got more of the bike put together over this past weekend, and I'm back to finding some close to the Candy Blue Sapphire again.
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Re: Blue vs. Green
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2015, 12:12:59 PM »
Ironically Scott I am doing a candy saphire blue clone currently.

2014 jeep paint code for Hydra Blue Pearl....to my eyes it is extremely close and I work with color professionally.
I think that ppg code match for the green was also a jeep code for Rescue Green Metallic.

Here is an original and mIne extremely close. Might make a purist scoff but you Gould always get the vmr kits if you want a perfect match and go for broke. Personally I am no purist and PDC  is good enough for me.
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Re: Blue vs. Green
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2015, 12:19:50 PM »
More pix with my one piece wrap decals....
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Re: Blue vs. Green
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2015, 12:36:37 PM »
This was the rescue green metallic-

Quite a close match. Only in very white/blue light can you see its just slightly different. The casual observer would just see awesome.
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Re: Blue vs. Green
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2015, 12:48:37 PM »
 Is that what's on the 550 now? The side covers seem really close. The tank seems to be a little too yellow, to me.
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Re: Blue vs. Green
« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2015, 12:56:36 PM »
Yes

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Re: Blue vs. Green
« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2015, 01:03:10 PM »
Ironically Scott I am doing a candy saphire blue clone currently.

2014 jeep paint code for Hydra Blue Pearl....to my eyes it is extremely close and I work with color professionally.
I think that ppg code match for the green was also a jeep code for Rescue Green Metallic.

Here is an original and mIne extremely close. Might make a purist scoff but you Gould always get the vmr kits if you want a perfect match and go for broke. Personally I am no purist and PDC  is good enough for me.

Very nice color, and pretty darn close to me, too.
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Re: Blue vs. Green
« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2015, 02:07:26 PM »
original paint tank Planet Blue metallic 1975 cb750 k (as an excuse to post lots of pics of my bike in different light) side covers are original blue also but someone cleared over them with blue glitter so they read differently:






 






of course you could also buy more than one body set. Here is the same bike in her brown suit:


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Re: Blue vs. Green
« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2015, 02:18:10 PM »
Love this shot, Geeto67!

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2008 Triumph Thruxton (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,190956.0.html)
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"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html and https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/3/1/song-of-the-sausage-creature)

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1977 CB750K7 "Nine Lives" Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=50490.0) - Sold
2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
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Re: Blue vs. Green
« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2015, 02:28:05 PM »
Melonhauler!  ;D
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Re: Blue vs. Green
« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2015, 06:54:04 PM »
Flake Sapphire Blue.....






Tank is original paint, side covers were matched by my painter using automotive paint.
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Re: Blue vs. Green
« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2015, 07:29:43 PM »


That's mine. Stock paint, hardly faded at all.  I think that rescue green is damn convincing and I'll prob repaint with it myself soon.  Getting some tiny rust bubbles under my paint :/

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Re: Blue vs. Green
« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2015, 02:43:39 AM »
 Mono, have you ever taken a close look at the Rescue Green in person and compared it to your paint?
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Re: Blue vs. Green
« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2015, 05:52:39 AM »
Mono, have you ever taken a close look at the Rescue Green in person and compared it to your paint?

+1.  I love these "close match paint" threads.  I wish I could see a stock paint right next to a "close match" though...
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Re: Blue vs. Green
« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2015, 09:45:14 AM »
 It would be awesome if there's a Jeep dealer nearby for comparison pics. Maybe even take off a side cover and lay it on the hood, hold it up beside the  door, etc.
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Re: Blue vs. Green
« Reply #19 on: May 24, 2015, 09:51:23 AM »
Bump....anyone else?
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Re: Blue vs. Green
« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2015, 06:57:12 AM »
Be careful about "close match" paints. Sometimes what you are loosing isn't tone it's luster. Original candy colors have a depth you cannot replicate with standard base coat clear coat. In shade and indirect sunlight you may not see a difference but in direct sunlight candy pops like no other paint can. That being said if you are just after a color and not really an OEM finish then why limit yourself to stock colors?

case in point: this is my old 1973 cb750


It had some unknown origin metallic medium blue paint but it was great at "color change" depending on how the light hit it because of a high metallic content (but it was not "metalflake")







The closest match I found was Ford "Guardsman Blue" which is famous for being the most popular color original Cobras were painted.



if you are willing to break out of the mold there are some really great colors out there like Honda Matte Uranium - a color used on the 919 hornet:


As many have shown, just adding stock style decals in no stock colors to a non stock paint job can really add something special to the bike:



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Re: Blue vs. Green
« Reply #21 on: May 26, 2015, 07:18:52 AM »
The planet bleu indeed has it's way on looking bleu in bright light or more greenisch in the shad.






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Re: Blue vs. Green
« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2015, 09:51:53 AM »
I agree with the comments about Candy.  My stock Candy Jade Green had a duller hue, and the VMR paint had a very intense brighter hue, likely from a heavier application of the candy.  I am not a painter, but I believe that results from the metallic are more consistent. 
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2008 Triumph Thruxton (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,190956.0.html)
2014 MV Agusta Brutale Dragster 800
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"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html and https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/3/1/song-of-the-sausage-creature)

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1977 CB750K7 "Nine Lives" Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=50490.0) - Sold
2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
2016+ Triumph Thruxton 1200 R (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,170198.0.html) - Sold

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Re: Blue vs. Green
« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2015, 02:29:43 PM »
  My stock Candy Jade Green had a duller hue...

Hey Don...do you think it being 35+ years old could have caused that?
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Re: Blue vs. Green
« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2015, 02:36:05 PM »
I agree with the comments about Candy.  My stock Candy Jade Green had a duller hue, and the VMR paint had a very intense brighter hue, likely from a heavier application of the candy.  I am not a painter, but I believe that results from the metallic are more consistent. 

Because candy paint is transparent it is more susceptible to fade and oxidation which can dull it over time. Fading usually affects hue - causing the color to lighten over time and lose some of it's depth. Same with oxidation in the clear, the clear gets foggy and the color get's back-light less as light is reflected. Also older lacquer jobs can yellow further changing the color and luminosity.

Fresh candy looks intense and bright in the sun because the light hits the base coat and back-lights the color. Think of it like looking in a swimming pool in direct sunlight or how a candy apple looks like in direct sunlight.


It has a depth that is often described as "so deep you can fall into".


Metallics have their own lite reflection properties. Specifically how the reflection of light by the metallic particles can change the character of the highlights. Excluding flip flop, chameleon, mystic, or other color change paints (which rely on crystals rather than metal flakes), metallic can shift the color slightly as light hits it which is why a metallic paint car will look like it has dark spots and really bright spots depending on how it hits it. Metallic is also susceptible to fading and oxidation but the color is more durable and consistent.

Honda combined both for most of their paint jobs - candies were often shot over a silver or gold metallic base to get both the highs and lows of metallic with the brilliance of candy. Some great examples of this are Flake sunrise (orange candy over silver metallic base) and Candy Bacchus Olive (blue paint over a gold metallic base). Candy Jade Green and Candy Sapphire blue look to be shot over a very fine metallic silver base.

if you are going to do your own painting each has it's own pitfalls - metallics can tiger stripe or stick up through the clear, candies can run or clump and you have to start from scratch if you screw it up. If you are paying a professional make sure they are well versed in how to spray candy (most will know how to shoot metallics as they have been used on cars for the last 60 years). I think candies are high maintenance as compared to other finishes because of their nature, so you have to ask yourself what do you really like about the paint? the color? the depth? the shimmer?






 
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