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Offline AJ78

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« on: November 07, 2015, 04:16:46 AM »
Just bought an old CB550 1978 couple of days ago.

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Re: Burn smell and hot electrics CB350 70`new battery
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2015, 04:53:42 AM »
My first guess would be you reversed the poles when you hooked it up. If so, you've probably done significant damage to the harness and regulator.

Remove all the body work, remove the headlight, remove the seat. Confirm the NEGATIVE post of your battery attaches to the cable that dead ends to the frame. The POSITIVE cable should be running to the starter solenoid and the fuse block. It can happen that you switch them as they are both "wrapped" in black sheathing, and you're not the first to inadvertently switch them.

By the way, your battery specs are insufficient to run your bike for long in urban traffic with a headlight on. a 4Ah battery won't last, and it surely won't power an electric starter for many attempts. You want a 12Ah battery.
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Re: Burn smell and hot electrics CB350 70`new battery
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2015, 05:19:34 AM »
that viring are homemade.
.alvays thek up the frame konnektion as negative battery konnektion,,,  vhen you see some homemade vires alarm klock ringing if all vires is red or black
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Re: Burn smell and hot electrics CB350 70`new battery
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2015, 05:26:32 AM »
its prob only the/( diode big red thing),..and a few vires vho blows up..you can find a rep part..just take kontakt to some elektronic nørds they can find a alternative to that expensive Honda part..this Honda s use a primitive 2 fase permanent magenet system like cb 77 and other old bikes..
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Re: Burn smell and hot electrics CB350 70`new battery
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2015, 05:55:28 AM »
Ahhh.
None of the visible wiring looks original. Thus, you can't assume that red means anything beyond what was at hand when someone did the wiring.
"connects to the engine block right side" - not surer what you mean - connects to the block like directly to the metal, or like it goes through an opening and disappears inside, or something else?

The absolutely most likely situation here is a reversed battery connection. Not so bad: there is so little "electric system" on these bikes that replacing what's ruined won't break the bank. You are far from the first to do this: some bikes (not sure about yours) came with batteries where "+" was on the left with it in the correct looking way... but one can only get batteries with "+" on the right nowadays: that makes it rather tempting to connect it "the way the old one was" despite the cable colors saying "No!! Stop!! Think of the Children!"

The "-" battery cable (black insulation or bare metal wire if someone sane is doing the wiring... green would be OK in a pinch) must go directly and only to the frame and engine cases: usually to a big ring terminal under an engine mounting bolt's head.
The "+" battery cable, traditionally a red insulated wire (and not the place to demonstrate a rebellion against staid outdated traditions) goes to 3 things usually
- the starter motor solenoid relay
- the rectifier positive connection
- the fuse(s).

Have a look at where your battery wires lead to.
If you had the battery connection correct then clearly something is badly wrong. Check the wiring against a shop manual diagram, although the rewiring won't match what was there from the crate.
The obsolete germanium rectifier should be checked, I routinely replace those with a more modern silicon bridge when working on these old bikes.

If it was reversed, only the rectifier would definitely be destroyed. Some wires might be damaged, even melted and shorting together. You will have to carefully check the wiring.

Quite possibly someone had some sort of disaster with the bike and attempted to repair damaged wiring. The picture shows that he/she should not be doing such work. Maybe the problems proved too much for him/her and the project was abandoned until you came along. So don't assume it ever worked with the wiring you see there.

It's odd that you had to turn on the key before it started going weird though, a reversed battery usually gets things smoking instantly upon connection.

I don't have a wiring diagram but that era was consistent, nothing in there that should draw enough current to heat up the battery cables... but your improvised battery cables are MUCH smaller than the factory ones.

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Re: Burn smell and hot electrics CB350 70`new battery
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2015, 03:15:21 AM »
Even if you hooked it up correctly, and the wiring was correct, the battery could short to ground thru a bad rectifier (which is very common with the old selenium types like that red one).
I would replace it with a new one (this one will work fine:         https://www.radioshack.com/products/50v-bridge-rectifier?variant=5717581317         
Wiring diagram here:
http://www.cmsnl.com/classic-honda-fansite/honda_wiring_diagrams/CB350(1970_on).jpg
here's a color one, but always double check it with the factory edition (black and white one)
http://www.hondatwins.net/forums/attachments/7446d1294341082-new-forum-71-cb350-wiring-harness-cb250_350-flip.jpg
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Re: Burn smell and hot electrics CB350 70`new battery
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2015, 11:06:20 AM »
Hey the good news is, you didn't catch the bike on fire! Easy enough to fix now that you know whats wrong (all the wiring!)  ;)
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Re: Burn smell and hot electrics CB350 70`new battery
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2015, 11:59:10 PM »
Are you sure you have the wrong battery? Reason I ask: originally the full name of the correct type is 12n12a-4a-1.
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Re: Burn smell and hot electrics CB350 70`new battery
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2015, 12:09:26 AM »
You're not alone, practically everything I ever attempt to do these, I only find out right after I did it, that I shouldnta done that. Call it a hex or jinx, even after thorough online searching the day or more before on "how" it's done, I do it, and I'll end up checking for something else about it, first result turns up with results not to do it.