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Offline terecha

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Restoration of MF should be done up to the November :)

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A couple of new pics. Both bikes are a little dirty ;) Sorry









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Very Nice antique Honda models that I never knew about before.  :)
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  I love the small ones too !
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Dream MF - 90% completed! Will be listed on ebay soon.


« Last Edit: November 02, 2016, 03:54:54 AM by terecha »

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Looking Good  8) terecha
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           Some of us, at least I would like to know how much they bring. Not trying to be nosey, just always been interested in the Value of the older motorcycles. If you'd rather not say how much, not a problem here, just curiosity, more than anything else. Good Luck with whatever you decide to do. And, thank you for sharing the photos and info about them. Very interesting, indeed.
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 Post a link to your auction please when it goes on E-bay.

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Dream 3E finished and Dream MF's first engine start after restoration

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And MF during first start

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They are real beautiful bikes you have, I didn’t even know about these models but like them vary much. You should get a big price for them and thanks for sharing the pics and info.
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Both bikes will be for sale soon? Maybe someone interested? :D
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Great bikes.  Prices will vary with geography, too.  California tends to command higher prices that other parts of the US.  You are going for niche buyers.  You should think about museums and higher end collectors.
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My advice would be to contact Bonhams with a view to auction them at one of the twice yearly Stafford shows. They can generate a lot of publicity for you : https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/24494/

Kev

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Thank you for the advice. MF is almost finished ;)

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Re: How much my collection is worth? 1950's very rare, early Honda motorcycles
« Reply #39 on: September 20, 2019, 01:44:48 PM »
Dream MF350 from 1956.

Restored from a crap. 10 years restoration... Engine runs and electrical devices work.

Propably the rarest Honda in the world now. Only 5 bikes known worldwide. Short series produced (only during a couple of months 56/57).


It was modified SB350 model. SB had 14HP, MF has got 20HP.

Honda Dream MF was the most powerfull Honda of the early era.

MF was a short series prepared to the races. Please see the picture from 1957. Mr Soichiro Honda is a man with a hat, and the MF is here too (without the covers, with modified rear suspension and seat).



Also compared with Dream SB, MF has got different fender's fin and front suspension - 4 swingarms (not forks like in SB), winkers in an amazing shape (only one Honda model had this lens shape and this is the first Honda with winkers - earlier Honda had semaphores as option), different horn, tank, rear seat and many, many smaller things. But the most beautiful is banana type pipe. Also a lot of modifications in engine - bigger valves, different head, bigger intake and filter, different camshaft.

Last time I recognized that MF has got the top solutions, don't known in other Japanese bikes from 1950's.

1. Brake integrated with the sprocket.
2. You can switch directly from the last gear to the first.
3. And the enigne has got 2 separated oil chambers. One for the clutch  and gearbox, second for the cylinder and head. So you can use different  oil for clutch and gearbox and different for the combustion chamber.
4. Gear indicator
5. Rear sprocket rubber damper like in the modern bikes
6. Electrical turn signals (semphores were used in other bikes)
7. It is the first Japanese bike with RAM air system (dynamic boost).

Bike is so rare that Honda hasn't printed part lists for this model, which covers engine area. All other models had suitable part lists.

MF350 before and after restoration:




































Before restoration:


Almost all parts are genuine!  Genuine exahust was found in Japan and was repaired by craftsman. Also I found geuine front lamp and cover. Even rims and chain are genuine!

Modern are:
Spokes
Rear lens, winker lenses (reproduced and look the same like oem) - but I still have the oem
Leathers

So bike is almost 100% geunine!

I have pictures from restoration if someone needs.

Bike will be sold in Bonhams

The Autumn Stafford Sale
The Classic Motorcycle Mechanics Show
19 Oct 2019 20 Oct 2019

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/25384/

Regarding questions....
Bonhams online catalogue is not full yet. Around 300 bikes are not listed. Bonhams workers update it every day. MF should show up soon.
If you want bid it, you must register on Bonhams website asap. Shortly before auction it would be impossible.

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Re: How much my collection is worth? 1950's very rare, early Honda motorcycles
« Reply #40 on: September 27, 2019, 05:42:36 AM »
Bike will be sold in Bonhams Stafford Autumn Show 19-20 October 2019.
You can also bid online. If you want do it, you must register asap and click 'bid'. It can be shipped worldwide.
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/25384/lot/390/?category=list&length=394&page=1

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Re: How much my collection is worth? 1950's very rare, early Honda motorcycles
« Reply #41 on: September 27, 2019, 05:55:36 AM »
wow,what a machine!

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Re: How much my collection is worth? 1950's very rare, early Honda motorcycles
« Reply #42 on: September 29, 2019, 08:19:39 PM »
Terecha, please keep us posted about the results of the auction! I hope you get a good return on your investment into such a rare bike!!  8) 8)
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« Reply #43 on: September 29, 2019, 11:24:25 PM »
Just checked out the catalogue pics.  Impressive to say the least.
You'd reckon Honda itself would be interested in that. good luck.

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Re: How much my collection is worth? 1950's very rare, early Honda motorcycles
« Reply #44 on: September 29, 2019, 11:52:03 PM »
They will go to the USA or Japan I'd be reasonably sure. Bonham's do a good job even if their fees are a bit pricey.

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Re: How much my collection is worth? 1950's very rare, early Honda motorcycles
« Reply #45 on: September 30, 2019, 03:38:02 AM »
Hey Kev how's it going ? Nice bikes I wonder why more of that styling was not kept for the rest of the world.
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Re: How much my collection is worth? 1950's very rare, early Honda motorcycles
« Reply #46 on: September 30, 2019, 02:08:54 PM »
Thx for all warm words.

I would keep them, but I am going to move abroad and can't take bikes with me  :( :( :(

Regarding questions and bidding online…
If you want do it, you must register asap in Bonhams system (shortly before auction it would be impossible):
https://www.bonhams.com/register/?full_reg=1&reg_rtn_path=/auctions/25384/lot/391/%23keep_bid_open%3D1%26id%3D5317058
and click 'bid' next to the motorcycle’s main picture.

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Hey Bill!
How's it cuttin' there? Sorry to be a stranger, I'll drop you a PM.

Wishing Terecha all the best with his sale. Like him I'm moving and can't take everything with me so I know what that's like. He's done a marvellous job.

Lucky b'strd with deep pockets will snag this beauty.

Kev

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i will be at the auction and will keep an eye out for it , looks like a beautiful restoration , congratulations
i suspect its new home will be back in japan unless one of the big museums fancy it .

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Thx a lot! Hope I will deliver it to Stafford luckily. I have 2000 km to this place :)