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Re: Gentlemans Express Cb550
« Reply #50 on: July 24, 2016, 06:53:28 PM »
Looking good Cam, are you going to fit fenders to the bike..? It'll save the wife cleaning the skunk stripe off her back... ;D ;)
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Re: Gentlemans Express Cb550
« Reply #51 on: July 24, 2016, 07:02:45 PM »
Just the front  Retro.
The license plate in hangs from the rear far enough. I hope  ;D

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Re: Gentlemans Express Cb550
« Reply #52 on: July 24, 2016, 07:04:44 PM »
Just the front  Retro.
The license plate in hangs from the rear far enough. I hope  ;D

Just me but, I think that bike would look great with the fenders on, to me it looks incomplete...... ;)
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Re: Gentlemans Express Cb550
« Reply #53 on: July 24, 2016, 07:19:56 PM »
speaking of pics.....












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just gotta dial her in.
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Re: Gentlemans Express Cb550
« Reply #54 on: July 24, 2016, 07:37:33 PM »
I have a favorite pic from that set, but I'm biased by the Tshirt haha

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Re: Gentlemans Express Cb550
« Reply #55 on: July 25, 2016, 01:46:32 PM »
With basically a better than new head, and fresh bore, you'll pull great vacuum so it's not inconceivable to go down on the mainjet.

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Re: Gentlemans Express Cb550
« Reply #56 on: July 25, 2016, 02:16:18 PM »
BWaller: so you think my/ our thinking is correct that the SD airbox isn't providing enough air?  Others that have done similar builds always move up in jet size. I'm having to move down even below stock.
Has anyone used a SD box on a over bore ,hotter cam motor?

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Re: Gentlemans Express Cb550
« Reply #57 on: July 25, 2016, 02:27:49 PM »
I'd still pull the airbox first and try it, just to see if it leans it out at those throttle settings that were rich previously. It definitely should. If you have new plugs put those in first.

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Re: Gentlemans Express Cb550
« Reply #58 on: July 25, 2016, 03:31:55 PM »
Thanks will do BWaller. I'll report back tomorrow

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Re: Gentlemans Express Cb550
« Reply #59 on: July 25, 2016, 04:50:19 PM »
My couple cents' worth: I have had terrible luck with the foam filter media in any form on these bikes. They are made for limited-range RPM engines, like chainsaws, lawn mowers, stuff like that. When airflow starts moving quickly thru them, they "suck closed" and begin to choke off the air. In some bikes (like notably BWM and Harley Twins) this works in their favor, as making the low-speed throttle responsive in those critters means leaving out the parts needed for richness at near-nosebleed RPMs - which those engine hate...so in those select environs, the foam works. Not so much in engines with a 10+:1 RPM turndown ratio, like SOHC4 or Katana bikes. Those who may notice the 'successful' applications of foam filters see them in bikes like the Kawi Fours (7500 RPM redlines), without realizing WHY they still work there: those bikes re dead-flat lean mixers above 6500 RPM, to help protect the Kawi warranty. ;)

If you want to REALLY see the foam filters' epic FAIL, try them on a CB450/500 Twin...they not only won't run well, they won't even start when hot, for over-richness during low-speed "filter closure", and no longer need a choke for cold-morning starts. And, they won't rev past 5000 RPM, either...and those engines are 12:1 turndown RPM ratio!   :(
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Re: Gentlemans Express Cb550
« Reply #60 on: July 25, 2016, 04:59:05 PM »
Bwaller: on your wife's 592 what intake are you using?

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Re: Gentlemans Express Cb550
« Reply #61 on: July 25, 2016, 05:16:31 PM »

 Those who may notice the 'successful' applications of foam filters see them in bikes like the Kawi Fours (7500 RPM redlines)

HM - not sure which Kaw-Four you are referring to, but my Z1 has a 9K redline [has stock airbox]

Good info though.

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Re: Gentlemans Express Cb550
« Reply #62 on: July 25, 2016, 05:33:17 PM »

 Those who may notice the 'successful' applications of foam filters see them in bikes like the Kawi Fours (7500 RPM redlines)

HM - not sure which Kaw-Four you are referring to, but my Z1 has a 9K redline [has stock airbox]

Good info though.


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Re: Gentlemans Express Cb550
« Reply #63 on: July 25, 2016, 07:08:31 PM »
Cam, not ideal but this is what I use for hers with stock PD's. This a honkin big oval filter. (meant for one GSXR1100 carb  ::))





Mark, not sure I agree that all foam filters suffer what you mention. 75 rwhp @12K rpm  with these dual sock filters over stacks. It would be great to not use a filter at all and I'm sure I could gain a little more but I feel better with something on there.





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Re: Gentlemans Express Cb550
« Reply #64 on: July 25, 2016, 07:32:01 PM »
Here is how your stock 22 carbs should be.

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Re: Gentlemans Express Cb550
« Reply #65 on: July 25, 2016, 07:34:15 PM »


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Re: Gentlemans Express Cb550
« Reply #66 on: July 25, 2016, 09:38:21 PM »
Right Tews. 4th position or groove on the needle. I see that the stock main is 100 which I thought was 98 stock. But I don't see how moving up to a 100 will cure my rich problem.
I'll start by pulling the carbs like Bwaller says, then I'll remove foam from the air box.
I'll replace the foam with a finer mesh.
Would changing the needle position be the next step?

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Re: Gentlemans Express Cb550
« Reply #67 on: July 26, 2016, 04:42:30 AM »
Cam I suggest just pulling the airbox and running open carbs to see if it goes lean.

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Re: Gentlemans Express Cb550
« Reply #68 on: July 26, 2016, 04:54:32 AM »
Plus one to what Brent suggested.

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Re: Gentlemans Express Cb550
« Reply #69 on: July 26, 2016, 07:50:57 AM »
Will do today guys. Thanks!!
Hypothetically what happens if it doesn't lean out?

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Re: Gentlemans Express Cb550
« Reply #70 on: July 26, 2016, 09:14:07 AM »
If it doesn't, call it Houdini.  ;)

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Re: Gentlemans Express Cb550
« Reply #71 on: July 26, 2016, 09:53:15 AM »
Jokes aside, to start the process it can be faster to go to extremes in jetting to begin. Too rich first attempt, pull the airbox to be sure it goes too lean then work backwards.

Did you say the top & sides of the airbox are blocked so no air except from the bottom?

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Re: Gentlemans Express Cb550
« Reply #72 on: July 26, 2016, 10:21:59 AM »
Bwaller: they were blocked. I removed the metal that was blocking them. And I just pulled the foam out as well. This now just looks like Vstacks with a box attached. Besides a metal grate around the box there is now no blockage at the intake.

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Re: Gentlemans Express Cb550
« Reply #73 on: July 26, 2016, 12:17:49 PM »
Oh ok, just try it like that.

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Re: Gentlemans Express Cb550
« Reply #74 on: July 26, 2016, 01:04:12 PM »
Well still no luck. I have to travel a few blocks to get to a road where I can actually do a proper plug chop. But I think the plugs are fouled already by the time I get there.
Still showing rich and sooty.
In an effort to stop asking dumb questions any more, and save you guys the energy answering them, I booked some dyno time this Saturday. I put in a call to Paul from Fast by Gast which is right up the street from me and he set me all up!
Plus we can get some Hp numbers.
Bottle of whiskey for the closest guess!