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Re: Identifying CB750 Cam Towers
« Reply #50 on: January 03, 2017, 01:21:04 PM »
Hi guys.When I first tore down my 70 K0 it had the rocker shafts with the half waist.My understanding was that later engines had the full waisted ones as it was felt a ticking sound could occur when the half waisted shafts turned at idle and hit the retaining bolt.
 I can confirm these were the  originals as it was I who removed the machine from crate.
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Re: Identifying CB750 Cam Towers
« Reply #51 on: January 03, 2017, 01:24:50 PM »
I am not sure,but is there a rib hanging down in the old camcovers that would hold the rocker shaft in, were it to break ?
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Re: Identifying CB750 Cam Towers
« Reply #52 on: January 03, 2017, 05:27:27 PM »
Hi guys.When I first tore down my 70 K0 it had the rocker shafts with the half waist.My understanding was that later engines had the full waisted ones as it was felt a ticking sound could occur when the half waisted shafts turned at idle and hit the retaining bolt.
 I can confirm these were the  originals as it was I who removed the machine from crate.

Can someone else confirm this, as I was under the impression the rocker shafts with only half a center groove were replacements?
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Re: Identifying CB750 Cam Towers
« Reply #53 on: January 03, 2017, 07:49:43 PM »
I am not sure,but is there a rib hanging down in the old camcovers that would hold the rocker shaft in, were it to break ?

Nope, none. Racers who used tall cams or those who over-revved often enough to break the shafts used several methods to hold the half-pieces in the towers: one was to stake the ends in with a punch (which also inhibited their rotation, losing some high-RPM power in the result), another was to drill and tap (and safety-wire) some very small bolts and washers over their ends, like is found in aircraft engines (and probably where it came from?). I also saw some that were drilled and pinned with roll pins: Honda sort of used this approach, but easier to disassemble. The loss of rotation DOES make a noticeable before-and-after top-end feeling in the engines, though. They rev more freely to 8500 RPM with the moving shafts, and the shafts never wear out. The locked-down ones must be flipped 180 degrees at about 40k miles to stop the 'clicking' sound they otherwise generate.

I also saw (just one) drag engine where the builder had made little aluminum blocks in the cam cover that reached down to stop a migrating half-shaft from moving out of the tower (in the center 4 spots). I thought this was an elegant solution, even if it was done clumsily.

The outer end of a broken shaft only moves a short distance before it hits the cam cover and stops: this isn't trouble, as the rocker still works and can even go unnoticed. The inner half-shaft, if it starts sliding, can reach the cam sprocket, which can cause more significant problems.
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Re: Identifying CB750 Cam Towers
« Reply #54 on: January 03, 2017, 07:54:52 PM »
Hi guys.When I first tore down my 70 K0 it had the rocker shafts with the half waist.My understanding was that later engines had the full waisted ones as it was felt a ticking sound could occur when the half waisted shafts turned at idle and hit the retaining bolt.
 I can confirm these were the  originals as it was I who removed the machine from crate.

Can someone else confirm this, as I was under the impression the rocker shafts with only half a center groove were replacements?

I sure can't: the first time I ever saw the half-cut shafts was in a parts bin and parts fiche circa 2002. I have never seen them in an engine, except for the ones I installed (after finding them in the parts bin at the local Honda shop in 2002). They came-and-went quickly, gone by about 2007 IIRC. Then Honda subbed all to the later shafts with the bolt holes in them, before discontinuing them altogether. The last I have seen of these is at Yamiya and DSS. I make some from 12mm hardened shafting (Thomson Shaft) from time-to-time, but only the unbolted type. This stuff is harder than the Honda shafts, even though their last offerings were said to have been hardened (the K0-K2 no-bolt types are DEFINITELY not hardened).
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Re: Identifying CB750 Cam Towers
« Reply #55 on: April 12, 2020, 07:17:42 AM »
Hey guys,

So if I am understanding this correctly, you cannot put K0 cam towers on a later K cylinder head because of the way that the oil jets changed? I have a K0 engine, and was going to put the cam towers from it on my K3 cylinder head. The K0 engine valvetrain is fully assembled, so I could move it over and be confident that everything is installed in the same placement it came from the factory.

One issue I may have using my K3 cam towers is that they are not marked which one was left and right. Is there a way to check the alignment of these after they are installed?

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Re: Identifying CB750 Cam Towers
« Reply #56 on: April 12, 2020, 08:39:22 AM »
Dont need to be marked as they fit either side, is better if they go back where they came from but will run happily if not
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