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Re: RC51 or CBR1000RR
« Reply #50 on: April 05, 2017, 04:29:14 AM »
RC51 in Michigan, 9,000 miles for $3995.00. Don't know if that is a good price or not but sounds so compared to new bikes.  https://grandrapids.craigslist.org/mcy/6057039424.html
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Re: RC51 or CBR1000RR
« Reply #51 on: April 05, 2017, 05:28:11 AM »
Can you grab that bargain for me please Eric, it'd cost twice that much here in Oz! Just put it in the container with that minty GT750K and a few K0's to fill it up, and I'll cut you a check? Thanks mate! ;D
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Re: RC51 or CBR1000RR
« Reply #52 on: April 05, 2017, 05:32:16 AM »
 Think there is just enough room to squeeze that in Terry  ;)
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Re: RC51 or CBR1000RR
« Reply #53 on: April 05, 2017, 05:42:27 AM »
Woohoo! ;D
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Re: RC51 or CBR1000RR
« Reply #54 on: April 05, 2017, 04:08:23 PM »
Seems like not a bad deal but I wonder if it's been down since it has race/track bodywork.
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Re: RC51 or CBR1000RR
« Reply #55 on: April 05, 2017, 04:19:53 PM »
Yeah, I suppose that would affect it's value as a collectable, but I've got a couple of modern bikes that have had light drops, and still ride straight. The funny thing is that my 1969 K0 looks like it was dragged out of a sewer sideways, and is probably worth more than my more pristine modern bikes! ;D
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Re: RC51 or CBR1000RR
« Reply #56 on: April 05, 2017, 04:33:50 PM »
No bike I have ever ridden has shifted as smooth as my RC.  The transmission was exceptional.
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Re: RC51 or CBR1000RR
« Reply #57 on: April 05, 2017, 11:40:48 PM »
Same gearbox as the VTR1000 I think? I've only ridden my current one around the block so I haven't noticed anything special about the gearbox so far, but it should be on the road soon, so I'll report back once I've racked up some miles on it. ;D
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Re: RC51 or CBR1000RR
« Reply #58 on: April 06, 2017, 10:01:07 AM »
Quote from: Terry in Australia on April 05, 2017, 11:40:48 PM
Same gearbox as the VTR1000 I think? I've only ridden my current one around the block so I haven't noticed anything special about the gearbox so far, but it should be on the road soon, so I'll report back once I've racked up some miles on it. ;D

I'm not sure, Terry.  Some say that the RC51 got extra TLC in manufacture/assembly as an HRC bike, as opposed to just design for race homologation.  I don't know for sure if that's urban legend or truth.  All I know is that the shifting was buttery smooth on mine -- better than even my newish FZ-09. I've heard the same from other RC owners.  While the overall size specs were the same as on the VTR as the VTR1000RR or RVT1000RR, the internals definitely had differences.
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Re: RC51 or CBR1000RR
« Reply #59 on: April 06, 2017, 10:04:38 AM »
A good retrospective article on the history of the street RC51 -- http://www.sportrider.com/sportbikes/honda-rc51-rvt1000r-great-sportbikes-past#page-11
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Re: RC51 or CBR1000RR
« Reply #60 on: April 06, 2017, 06:04:57 PM »
I've just found an RC51 going cheap on the internet here, and he wants to swap it for a SOHC 750! Hmmnnnn........... ;D
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« Reply #61 on: April 06, 2017, 11:05:11 PM »
Quote from: Terry in Australia on April 06, 2017, 06:04:57 PM
I've just found an RC51 going cheap on the internet here, and he wants to swap it for a SOHC 750! Hmmnnnn........... ;D

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« Reply #62 on: April 07, 2017, 02:58:05 AM »
Ha ha, well he asked for a pic of my 750 and says he likes it, so we'll see, luckily I've still got my K0 project, so if it comes off I won't be entirely CB-less......... ;D
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« Reply #63 on: April 13, 2017, 11:21:49 AM »
I am watching craigslist like a hawk...but I really need to  "finish" my CB before I grab another bike...timing might be bad as summer prices will increase
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« Reply #64 on: April 13, 2017, 01:28:50 PM »
Quote from: SKTP on April 13, 2017, 11:21:49 AM
I am watching craigslist like a hawk...but I really need to  "finish" my CB before I grab another bike...timing might be bad as summer prices will increase

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« Reply #65 on: April 13, 2017, 02:28:38 PM »
Quote from: SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan on April 13, 2017, 01:28:50 PM
Quote from: SKTP on April 13, 2017, 11:21:49 AM
I am watching craigslist like a hawk...but I really need to  "finish" my CB before I grab another bike...timing might be bad as summer prices will increase

I'm bummed you were not ready when I was selling mine.

You never gave me the head's up! But yes...that would have been sweet
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« Reply #66 on: April 13, 2017, 03:25:27 PM »
I watched this YouTube video where a guy on a 2004 SP2 raced another guy on a 2012 CBR1000RR in a drag race, I presumed the newer 4 with way more BHP would win, but the RC51's torque helped him walk away from the CBR. Cheers, Terry. ;D

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« Reply #67 on: April 14, 2017, 02:40:29 PM »
Quote from: Terry in Australia on April 13, 2017, 03:25:27 PM
I watched this YouTube video where a guy on a 2004 SP2 raced another guy on a 2012 CBR1000RR in a drag race, I presumed the newer 4 with way more BHP would win, but the RC51's torque helped him walk away from the CBR. Cheers, Terry. ;D


Pretty much.  HP sells bikes and torque wins races.
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Re: RC51 or CBR1000RR
« Reply #68 on: April 14, 2017, 03:43:03 PM »
I will add the 1000rr should walk on the rc with comparable riders the torque is nice but in comparison to the inline fours it doesn't stand a chance in straight aways.  It's the corners where these thrive


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Re: RC51 or CBR1000RR
« Reply #69 on: April 14, 2017, 05:09:49 PM »
Quote from: Terry in Australia on April 13, 2017, 03:25:27 PM
I watched this YouTube video where a guy on a 2004 SP2 raced another guy on a 2012 CBR1000RR in a drag race, I presumed the newer 4 with way more BHP would win, but the RC51's torque helped him walk away from the CBR. Cheers, Terry. ;D
outube]https://youtu.be/faFOAnUt_kU[/youtube

If would be interesting to see what it would look like if the riders switched bikes.  The guy on the CBR isn't very good. It would have been a little closer if the riders were more equal. The magazine 1/4 mile test times between the RC and the CBR were pretty close back in the day, with the CBR a little ahead.  I'd take an RC over the CBR any day tho.
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« Reply #70 on: April 14, 2017, 06:40:05 PM »
Torque can make up for some of the lower horsepower.
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« Reply #71 on: April 15, 2017, 12:18:09 AM »
Ha ha, I love it when folks under-estimate the wonderfulness of torque. I know how Hildo feels, this happens to me on my Harley Sporty or BMW boxer often, young folks in particular just don't understand that lots of BHP gives you top end speed, but lots of torque lets you walk away from sportsbikes from a standing start. ;D


 
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Re: RC51 or CBR1000RR
« Reply #72 on: April 15, 2017, 02:43:36 AM »
Quote from: Terry in Australia on April 13, 2017, 03:25:27 PM
I watched this YouTube video where a guy on a 2004 SP2 raced another guy on a 2012 CBR1000RR in a drag race, I presumed the newer 4 with way more BHP would win, but the RC51's torque helped him walk away from the CBR. Cheers, Terry. ;D


the only problem with that argument is that the sp2 makes 105nm of torque and the fireblade makes 115 , so it probably wasnt that terry .
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Re: RC51 or CBR1000RR
« Reply #73 on: April 15, 2017, 03:09:06 AM »
Yeah, and I don't have access to all the info Simon, but I guess it depends where within the rev range both bikes make their peak torque. My Triumph Rocket III makes 147 foot pounds at the rear wheel, and 90% of that torque at 2000 RPM! Now I'm not saying that's the case for the RC51, but I'm guessing that the RC51's peak torque comes in well before the Fireblade's? Cheers, Terry. ;D   
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Offline simon#42

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Re: RC51 or CBR1000RR
« Reply #74 on: April 15, 2017, 03:20:57 AM »
more torque is more torque terry you just have to rev a 4 more . it is a common misconception that twins [ especially v twins ] make more torque than four cylinder bikes
its not true . generally twins make there peak torque at lower revs to fours so when ridden slow they feel like they have more .
and torque does not win races power does , good racers rev bikes hard and dont rely on torque to make up for poor riding .

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