Author Topic: Radical Gas Tank Cleaning Option  (Read 7901 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline puppytrax

  • Expert
  • ****
  • Posts: 1,059
Radical Gas Tank Cleaning Option
« on: December 22, 2006, 05:40:35 PM »
OK, I swear this guy says it works...   :o

(1) Next garbage day, keep an eye out for someone throwing out a couch. Full size; with three cushions. Grab the cushions.

(2) Put the cushions in your clothes dryer. Equally spaced around the perimeter of the drum.

(3) Empty two boxes of drywall screws (short ones) into your tank.

(4) Tape off the openings, with duct tape.

(5) Use one of the cushion covers as a bag. Put the tank in it; tape it closed.

(6) Insert the tank into the middle of the cushions. You'll probably need at least one buddy to compress the cushions enough.

(7) Turn dryer heat OFF. Turn dryer on, and let it tumble for an hour.

The low speed of the dryer will allow the drywall screws to tumble around in the tank; their light weight won't dent the skin; their sharp edges will knock the rust loose. The bag is to prevent any screws from escaping the taped off holes.

I haven't tried it...but I'm gonna...   ;D
...stock 1972 CB500 '500 Four' undergoing re-assembly...
...Stock 1972 CL450 'Scrambler' also being re-assembled...

Offline my78k

  • I am Meat-O of the Hungry Horses MC
  • Old Timer
  • ******
  • Posts: 2,839
Re: Radical Gas Tank Cleaning Option
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2006, 07:25:27 PM »
I guess I get the theory...but not sure I'd want to trust that my tank isn't going to somehow work it's way between the cushions and bang against the wall...

Actually to me would be a bigger concern is putting anything that may have residual gas fumes insode an electrical appliance and have that appliance inside my house...  :o

For me I think I will stick with the old nuts and bolts and then acid trick...but what the heck do I know?  ;)

Dennis

Offline scunny

  • Old Timer
  • ******
  • Posts: 4,618
  • don't call me expert
Re: Radical Gas Tank Cleaning Option
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2006, 07:28:28 PM »
being a sigle man I would protect autobicycle pieces with the days washing and give her a whirl, bugger the residual gas, who said I couldn't multi task  ;D
past-cb100,ts250,cb500,cb500,gs1000,gs650g.phillips traveller
present-CB 650 retro
            VTR1000F3
           XL250S riverbed rocket
           TS250[sold]
           TS185[sold]
           XL125S[sold]
           MT50 (white)
           MT50 (red)[sold]
           KN250/XS400 project
           XR/XL250 bitsa under construction
           SL100[sold]
           XL250R
           pedal(pub bike) leaks oil
my gallery http://gallery.sohc4.net/members/personal/scunny

Offline seaweb11

  • 1st Mate &
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 6,258
  • Ride & Smile
    • Playground Directory
Re: Radical Gas Tank Cleaning Option
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2006, 07:28:56 PM »
"OK, I swear this guy says it works"
Here say evidence. Please contact your lawyer.

Feel free to contact me when you have tried it ;D

scout18

  • Guest
Re: Radical Gas Tank Cleaning Option
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2006, 12:10:26 PM »
shoot, why not get an old free dryer from Craigslist and make a tank tumbler that has a jig taht goes insideit to hold anysized tank. I drew one up on paint but I can't seem to get it to load from my desktop top

Offline Jinxracing

  • It's hot shit, not
  • Hot Shot
  • ***
  • Posts: 610
  • '70 CB750 K1
    • The Hairy Nickel
Re: Radical Gas Tank Cleaning Option
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2006, 04:21:07 PM »
Even better, tape some old pillows around the tank and head down to the local laundrymat late at night. Two or three bucks in quarters and hell, their equipment's insured, right?  ;D ;D ;D
"Each of us can find a maggot in our past which will happily devour our futures."

–Captain Horatio Hornblower

www.thehairynickel.com

Offline c_kyle

  • Hot Shot
  • ***
  • Posts: 298
Re: Radical Gas Tank Cleaning Option
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2006, 06:40:32 PM »
Even better, tape some old pillows around the tank and head down to the local laundrymat late at night. Two or three bucks in quarters and hell, their equipment's insured, right?  ;D ;D ;D

That's the better way to do it.  Basically, it's like the inside of a rock tumbler or a brass (firearms) polisher.  You could probably use finer media also, like glass beads.
Izanami, my 1979 CB650Z:  Clicky

Offline paxtonpony

  • Hot Shot
  • ***
  • Posts: 370
  • Up the Irons!
    • My Pics
Re: Radical Gas Tank Cleaning Option
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2006, 09:18:51 PM »
First molasses, now a tumble dry.  What next?
1969 CB750K - Wrecked
1978 CB750K - Sold
1992 GS500 Streetfighter - Sold
1975 CB750F - Sold (sniff, sniff)
1994 VFR750F - Sold
1990 GSXR 750 - Sold
1999 CBR1100XX - Sold
2000 Triumph Legend TT - Bike of the week for me?
1992 Mustang - Paxton powered (12.02@115mph on street tires) and For Sal

Offline puppytrax

  • Expert
  • ****
  • Posts: 1,059
Re: Radical Gas Tank Cleaning Option
« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2006, 05:09:35 AM »
You could probably use finer media also, like glass beads.

I would be afraid that anything that fine would get caught in the folds, where the edges are welded...nails or screws are less likely to get jammed in those crevices...Or so I think...

I'm looking...There are lots of people tossing away couches on my route to work...   ;D
...stock 1972 CB500 '500 Four' undergoing re-assembly...
...Stock 1972 CL450 'Scrambler' also being re-assembled...

drlarryw

  • Guest
Re: Radical Gas Tank Cleaning Option
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2006, 06:30:33 AM »
Yeah, but the Molasses method needs no nails, screws, machines or old couches.  And dont' forget the delicious cookies made with the afterflow.

Offline SD750F

  • Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 1,642
    • My Business Site
Re: Radical Gas Tank Cleaning Option
« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2006, 07:47:48 AM »
I wonder if the same could be done with chocolate chips???   ::)

Can you tell I love chocolate chip cookies?

Scott....

Offline BobbyR

  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 12,367
  • Proud Owner of the Babe Thread & Dirty Old Man
Re: Radical Gas Tank Cleaning Option
« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2006, 08:06:04 AM »
If I were gonna do that I would use a fine gravel so it scrubs better. 
Dedicated to Sgt. Howard Bruckner 1950 - 1969. KIA LONG KHANH.

But we were boys, and boys will be boys, and so they will. To us, everything was dangerous, but what of that? Had we not been made to live forever?

Offline medic09

  • Old Timer
  • ******
  • Posts: 2,666
Re: Radical Gas Tank Cleaning Option
« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2006, 08:15:07 AM »
If I were gonna do that I would use a fine gravel so it scrubs better. 

too hard on your teeth when you make the cookies...

 ;D
Mordechai

'78 CB750K
'76 Triumph T160 Trident (rebuilding)
'07 aprilia Caponord

Santa Fe, NM

Offline chippyfive50

  • Hot Shot
  • ***
  • Posts: 405
  • NO PEE ON TEPEE
    • thesweetimpala
Re: Radical Gas Tank Cleaning Option
« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2006, 09:48:00 AM »
I would be afraid of used couch cushions, VERY AFRAID... :o :o  :-*
SOHC Member#4000
71' 500K0 #1021237--E1108327
78' 550
72' 750K2(sold to "Craig")
74' 750K4 #2306334--E2303422
73' CL175
http://gallery.sohc4.net/main.php?g2_itemId=14013

Offline BobbyR

  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 12,367
  • Proud Owner of the Babe Thread & Dirty Old Man
Re: Radical Gas Tank Cleaning Option
« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2006, 01:54:48 PM »
If I were gonna do that I would use a fine gravel so it scrubs better. 

too hard on your teeth when you make the cookies...

 ;D
True, but you would get lots of minerals.
Dedicated to Sgt. Howard Bruckner 1950 - 1969. KIA LONG KHANH.

But we were boys, and boys will be boys, and so they will. To us, everything was dangerous, but what of that? Had we not been made to live forever?

cb500 maniac

  • Guest
Re: Radical Gas Tank Cleaning Option
« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2006, 03:51:23 PM »
See, what you really want to do is to use CHAIN instead of screws, ball bearings, nuts, etc. ever tried getting the last 2 of ANYTHING to come out of the tank? get a good length of bicycle chain and put it in the tank, then agitate by whatever silly means you see fit, then all you do is pull the chain out instead of spending countless days shaking a gas tank to free that last screw that just doesn't want to find its way out.

Offline GNXFan

  • Enthusiast
  • **
  • Posts: 166
Re: Radical Gas Tank Cleaning Option
« Reply #16 on: December 26, 2006, 04:12:24 PM »
My radical method is to pour a gallon of Muratic Acid into the tank at full strength and slosh it around for about 2 minutes then rinse it out with water then pour a quart of Methl Ethl Ketone in to neutralize the acid. Lastly I immediately coat the inside with some stuff called RedCoat. It is candy apple red when wet but dries to a dull red finsih. Unlike the crappy Kreem stuff this coating will not break loose and stop up your fuel system.
If the tank only has very light rust the Yamaha Tank Cleaning System works great and leaves a natural steel colored finish on the inside of the tank.

scout18

  • Guest
Re: Radical Gas Tank Cleaning Option
« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2007, 06:13:35 PM »
ok GNX where do you get the redcoat  stuff? I have heard of someone local that will clean and coat your tank for 45 bucks .

Offline keiths

  • Hot Shot
  • ***
  • Posts: 393
Re: Radical Gas Tank Cleaning Option
« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2007, 06:29:51 PM »
I found this. Its red-kote. I think its what the radiator shops use.

http://www.4secondsflat.com/Fuel_Tank_Sealer.html

Offline gtyler5

  • Enthusiast
  • **
  • Posts: 131
Re: Radical Gas Tank Cleaning Option
« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2007, 08:39:57 PM »
Call the auto shops, I bought Red Coat at Smyth automotive. It is good stuff.
1976 CB750F cafe
1978 CB750F (in progress)
1993 CB750 Nighthawk

Offline paulages

  • Old Timer
  • ******
  • Posts: 3,876
  • 1976 cb735
    • DOOMTOWN RIDERS P.R.M.C.
Re: Radical Gas Tank Cleaning Option
« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2007, 10:37:22 PM »
jerod--mac's radiator on foster does a complete job for a little over a hundred, but they have a sandblast attachment that will go into the tank, and use the redcote stuff as well. a guy i know had his cb450 tank done there, and it was pretty solid. for a total tank job, i'd have the tank dipped at metal cleaning services (i think that's the name?) out on vancouver way, by western cycle. they charge about $45, and it comes back completely bare steel inside and out. buy your own red-cote and you're money ahead...that is if you can paint. ::)
paul
SOHC4 member #1050

1974 CB550 (735cc)
1976 CB550 (590cc) road racer
1973 CB750K3
1972 NORTON Commando Combat
1996 KLX650 R

Offline Kevin D

  • Old Timer
  • ******
  • Posts: 2,899
  • SE Michigan
Re: Radical Gas Tank Cleaning Option
« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2007, 04:23:45 AM »
I've heard that a barbecue rotisserie makes a good tank spinner, and you can probably get an old one for free on trash night.         

I haven't tried it though - either the spinning or the trash picking.
71 CB750 K1
104,000 miles
Original Owner
———past———
70 SL100/125/150
70 Candy BlueGreen CB 750 K0
————————————————-
Former Honda parts kid/counter kid/do all
—————————————————————-
Whether you think you can or think you can’t, you’re right
Genius is 99% perspiration, 1% inspiration

Offline GNXFan

  • Enthusiast
  • **
  • Posts: 166
Re: Radical Gas Tank Cleaning Option
« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2007, 02:57:48 PM »
scout18 here is the name of the company that makes the Red-Kote. This stuff is what airplane mechanics use on airplane gas tanks according to a friend of mine who's as Airbus pilot for Fed-Ex. Needless to say, pilots don't want their fuel lines stopped up by fuel tank liner that doesn't stick like Kreem.
Contact: Damon Industries, P.O. Box 2120, Alliance, OH  44601-0120  Phone number is 1-800-362-9850 or 330-821-5310. Call them and they will give the name of a local supplier in your area. That's what I did and they referred me to a local radiator shop that carried it. I swear by this stuff. I paid about $20 a quart for mine.
By the way, it doesn't have to be painted on, just pour the whole quart in the tank and slosh it around to coat the entire inside of the tank and then pour the remainder back inside the can to use on your next tank.

Offline Trevor from Warragul

  • Expert
  • ****
  • Posts: 1,089
Re: Radical Gas Tank Cleaning Option
« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2007, 03:16:27 AM »
Borrowed from the Kawasaki Triples Worldwide site:



Joined: 05 Sep 2002
Posts: 724
Location: West Michigan
 Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2004 12:42 am    Post subject: Electrolysis in Action - Part II   

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
OK, here we go…

These are two links that I used to understand the electrolysis process.

http://twostrokes.com/Tech/html/electrolysis.html
http://www3.telus.net/public/aschoepp/electrolyticrust.html

Also, below are several more photos from my current project. The first shows the process after about 54 hours. I expect the process is about complete, but I cleaned the anode and am continuing the process for another 24 hours to ensure it’s done.

The second photo shows the basic equipment; a battery charger, the (freshly cleaned) anode and the mix for the electrolyte. The Arm & Hammer product wasn’t particularly easy to find, but I eventually tracked it down at a very large mega-superstore (Meijers). It’s cheap so I bought two boxes – just to be sure I have a future supply.

The anode is simply a piece of ¼ inch threaded rod (zinc plated) that I bent into shape to fit into the tank WITHOUT touching the sides (most important!). Note that the anode doesn’t have to be plated, any cheap steel – or even stainless, will do. I simply had this rod around so I used it. Note the threading was an advantage as I could use nuts to mount the rod to the plastic cap.
The positive clamp from the charger goes to the anode, the negative to the item to be cleaned, in this case, the tank itself. To connect to the tank, I first measure the inside diameter of the petcock opening – about .600 if memory serves. I picked up a rubber “cork” at Lowes that was about this .600 size in the middle of the cork taper. I pushed the rubber cork/plug into the petcock opening, good and tight. Of course the tank has to be sealed before the electrolyte is added.

Using the nut that connects the petcock to the tank, I spun this nut onto the petcock threads, which was a perfect fit over the top of the rubber plug. Over the outside of this nut I placed a worm-clamp, inserting a piece of wire with the last inch or so stripped, under the clamp. When the clamp is tightened, the wire would be trapped between the worm-clamp and the large petcock nut. The other end of this wire is where the GROUND from the battery charger is connected to. If you look carefully in the last photo, you can see the ground wire/clamp on the left side. Note that the reason I used a worm-clamp over the top of the nut versus putting the clamp directly on the petcock mounting threads is I didn’t want to damage the petcock mounting threads in any way. The nut is designed to mount to these threads and protects them this way.

When turning on the charger I use the 12v, 10 amp setting. The charger started out at the high end of the scale, but quickly dropped to a low current flow. The last photo shows the setup/hookup.

I took a plastic paint can cap, and cut a hole in the middle using a hobby knife. The anode is mounted with washers and nuts on the top and bottom, to make sure it doesn’t shift at all. Look carefully at the cleaned anode, you can see where it’s been worn away… that’s why it’s called “sacrificial”… 

Note that when you’re done, the steel inside the tank is raw and unprotected, and once the tank is rinsed out, it will tend to start rusting again. My coating of choice is POR-15, but that’s a personal matter.

Let me know what other questions you might might have...
 
 
1971 Kawasaki H1A
1972 Honda CB350F
1976 Moto Morini 3 1/2 Sport
1978 Honda CBX
1997 Suzuki Bandit 1200
1999 Ducati Monster 750

Offline Trevor from Warragul

  • Expert
  • ****
  • Posts: 1,089
Re: Radical Gas Tank Cleaning Option
« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2007, 03:23:42 AM »
Pictures from above posting:
1971 Kawasaki H1A
1972 Honda CB350F
1976 Moto Morini 3 1/2 Sport
1978 Honda CBX
1997 Suzuki Bandit 1200
1999 Ducati Monster 750