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Crankshaft bearing condition, replace these?
« on: February 13, 2018, 06:58:03 PM »
Hi everyone, I have a 77 CB750 that I am rebuilding. Regardless of the oil clearance on these bearings should they be replaced due the wear? These are the 3 shells that are most concerning. The others are fairly uniform. I am new to the SOHC engines and hackaweek videos can only cover so much haha.

Also, this may be my first post here. I can not remember.... on too many forums perhaps.

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Re: Crankshaft bearing condition, replace these?
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2018, 07:20:03 PM »
Top 2 are damn near new.
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Re: Crankshaft bearing condition, replace these?
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2018, 07:22:21 PM »
Looks like very low mileage motor. I would reuse those without hesitation.

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Re: Crankshaft bearing condition, replace these?
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2018, 08:47:46 PM »
they are fine,you might give a gentle wipe over with 0000 steel wool,never abrasive paper,wash em real well after.

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Re: Crankshaft bearing condition, replace these?
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2018, 07:38:24 AM »
Thanks for the feedback!

I have zero history on the motor as it was sitting on someone's garage floor for many years after his friend gave up on a CB chopper project. But it's been looking good so far.

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Re: Crankshaft bearing condition, replace these?
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2018, 07:35:29 PM »
Plastigauge them, if clearances check out go ahead and run them.

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Re: Crankshaft bearing condition, replace these?
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2018, 07:55:49 PM »
Plastigauge them, if clearances check out go ahead and run them.

^^^ What he said...
They should be less than 0.0020" clearance.
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Re: Crankshaft bearing condition, replace these?
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2018, 06:42:19 AM »
Checking the clearances today.

One issue I have to contend with is that I am not using the crankcase from the original tear down. There was a Santee electrical box mounted to the top of the crankcase. 2 crankcase bolts that held the box on top of the case snaped. I extracted one successfully but the other one F'd up the case.

I have another crankcase that is stamped BBBBB. The original case was BBBBC.  There are no colours to be found on the bearing shells. According to the chart they should be GGGGB. I need all greens for the new case.

I'll just start by installing them in the new case and checking the clearances to see how everything looks.

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Re: Crankshaft bearing condition, replace these?
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2018, 09:15:22 AM »
If you're using different crankcase definitely check oil clearance.  99% you'll be OK with all green ones.

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Re: Crankshaft bearing condition, replace these?
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2018, 10:10:27 AM »
what letters were on your crank?are you using the same crank the bearings came from?if so put them with the same journals they came from and plastigage,the c seems to be the only diff letter on the crankcase at least.
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Re: Crankshaft bearing condition, replace these?
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2018, 10:31:21 AM »
So here is what I have. The brown shells are over .002. All the others are  close to .002 but under as far I can tell.

Images run from points side. Generator side is the brown bearing.

I'm thinking I should be ok buying one new green set. Thoughts ?

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Re: Crankshaft bearing condition, replace these?
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2018, 10:33:59 AM »
what letters were on your crank?are you using the same crank the bearings came from?if so put them with the same journals they came from and plastigage,the c seems to be the only diff letter on the crankcase at least.
Crankcase all B. Crankshaft all A. New case. Old case had one C. Used the journals in the same order as I removed them from the old case.

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Re: Crankshaft bearing condition, replace these?
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2018, 11:03:47 AM »
what letters were on your crank?are you using the same crank the bearings came from?if so put them with the same journals they came from and plastigage,the c seems to be the only diff letter on the crankcase at least.
Crankcase all B. Crankshaft all A. New case. Old case had one C. Used the journals in the same order as I removed them from the old case.

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With the sizes listed, and more than about 5000 miles on the crank, step down 1 size from the charts for best results. The crankshafts are not hardened much after the K2 engines, so their journals settled in while matching their bearings. When I rebuild them, I usually find the crank journals to be about 1/2 size smaller than stamped (if the engine had good care and oil).

Just as an example: I am currently doing a near-sandcast K0 engine (these had the hardest of the cranks), and the numbers are the same as yours, except the alternator side hole (#5) is one step larger. The engine had round 12k miles on it. It is getting all Green shells, and one Brown for the alternator, as when I Plastigaged it with all new Yellow and one Green, it was slightly over 0.0020" on all.

Some of this seems to be due to Honda subbing the -422- series bearings for the -300- shells when you order them. These are from later-style engines (and cars), and the pseudo-Parkerized finish on the new bearing shells seems to be thicker than on the older -300- types. I just discovered this fact about 3 weeks ago when I got a partial shipment subbed (by Honda) to the -422- parts (I ordered the -300-), and when I Plastigaged adjacent journals of the same sizes, the -422- bearing came in slightly tighter. Thinking something went wrong, I wiped the Plastigage from both (all 5, actually) and repeated the test: the wiping caused the -422- bearings to all grow by a couple of tenths, leaving them slightly larger than the -300- the next time around. It's only tenths, but it is consistent enough to indicate there is a slight change between them.

Overall, try to keep the clearance between 0.0006" - 0.0020" for best results. Less than 0.0006" requires long break-in (but makes it really smooth!) and more than 0.0020" makes it sensitive to thinner oils on hot days.
Not to worry: even if you bought all BLACK shells, it would still run, just would take some time to break in!
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Re: Crankshaft bearing condition, replace these?
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2018, 05:02:10 PM »
Thanks for the detailed response HondaMan!

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