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Offline drumstyx

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piston rings wrong way up symptoms?
« on: May 25, 2018, 12:16:05 PM »
Had my rebuilt 1978 CB750K going for a while now, technically been plated for a year, but I've only ridden maybe 20 or 30 km.

I'm rebuilding a little honda cub right now, and looking at the piston ring info, it made me remember building the CB. The rings I had, I was pretty sure there was no 'stamp' people talk about, and I was pretty damn sure by looking at them that there was no 'up' or 'down' side (no taper). Rings and pistons were from Cyclex IIRC

But...it's always been a bit cold-blooded, taking several minutes to take throttle without choke, and sometimes being a bit picky about starting -- gotta goose the throttle a bit to prime the cylinders, and then carefully give it a wee bit of throttle for a few seconds before it'll idle on full choke (though that was when it was much cooler out). Could this be related to piston ring orientation? I've heard they're just always a bit cold blooded, but part of me is always skeptical of that advice -- I imagine a layman 40 years ago starting their bike, and I wonder if they knew to take this much care, or if it frustrated them.

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Re: piston rings wrong way up symptoms?
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2018, 12:55:56 PM »
 It's probably more related to the fuel mix than rings. Rings being incorrect would cause smoking and compression loss.
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Re: piston rings wrong way up symptoms?
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2018, 01:21:58 PM »
It's probably more related to the fuel mix than rings. Rings being incorrect would cause smoking and compression loss.

The reason I was thinking about compression was because the whole reason I'm redoing this cub engine is because the low compression made it incredibly difficult to start (impossible, actually, but oil in the cylinder bumped compression enough to get it to puff a bit)

I honestly don't know how 'binary' of an issue compression is, as it relates to starting. It could be that once you hit a critical point it doesn't make much of a difference. I'm sure I have good compression, as it's a fresh rebuild, but I was thinking, what if *better* compression would make it start better.

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Re: piston rings wrong way up symptoms?
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2018, 05:57:50 PM »
Personally I would check all your basics, ensure good compression, then dwell and ignition timing before moving on. How does it run when warm?