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New Member/New Project Introduction - "Cafe Brimstone"
« on: July 01, 2018, 02:57:27 PM »
Hey folks,

New to the forum. My name is Matt and I have a Honda motorcycle.

Who cares?
Well - some of you just might.  For this build I will be meticulously documenting everything, posting build-progress and how-to videos, parts reviews and the like; generally just trying to provide some supplementary legitimate content to the community.  I'm not selling anything or using SEO to drive traffic to an ad-ridden site.  I have "taken" plenty from the internet in previous projects, and I want to give something back.  During my research for this project over the last couple of months I've found a few gaps in content that I will be attempting to close up by blazing some new trails, ideally with help from this forum.

Me:
First the disclaimer - I am not a custom bike builder - I'm actually a Development Consultant in L.A..  If you want to know what that is - you are in the minority.  I am not a mechanic, nor have I ever worked in any adjacent industry; no ASE certs adorn the walls of my shop - in fact, it's not even a shop - it's an airplane hangar with no ventilation and wiring that haunts my dreams at night.  You might take issue with some of my welds and you might scoff at the fact that my toolbox is 75% filled with the orange and gray of Pittsburgh, Central Machinery, and Chicago Electric tools.  I will likely make some design choices that are questionable and show my naivete through some classic bonehead moves. 

In spite of all that, I think this will be a build to follow and here's why: While I've never worked "under the hood" of a classic Honda motorbike, I've built a chopper (HD), a bobber (V-Star), and a sportbike (Interceptor) as well as a muscle car (Camaro), a classic truck (F-100), a drag-car (Mustang), a rally-car (Subaru), and an autocross racer (BMW 2002).
 
In the 20 years that have passed since my first day of high school auto shop, I have followed one vehicular passion after another, in which I've invested immeasurable amounts of time, money, and mental energy, consistently draining my emotional coffers completely only to have them refilled by catching a glimpse of a possible new project.  It's a sickness, but I wouldn't give it back for the world.  I've lost girlfriends over NOS Mopar parts and sold a house because the HOA rules for automotive work were too restrictive.  So although I may lack the classic training and occupational experience, I make up for it with conviction, obsessive-level research, and the ability to squeeze blood out of a nickel.  Next fixation is a Honda CB750 project called "Cafe Brimstone."

the Bike:
Picked it up at a decent price for Orange County, California; it's a '78 bike with a '76 motor; it's perfect mechanically, and perfectly disgusting aesthetically.  No rust, no damage - nothing like that, but it has been treated to a full line of eBay goodies - clipons, headlight, cafe racer seat, grips, MC, gauges, etc.  Someone bottomed out their PayPal account in the worst possible way.  The back of the frame has been chopped off and filled with bondo and cardboard, and it's got the faint memory of checkerboard sticker running down each side and the phrase "Short, Stubby Little Bastard."  It looks like a project borne out of all action and no planning and it's the motorcycle equivalent of a three-legged, one-eyed dog with a heart of gold looking for a home.

What should you expect from the build?  It will be a super-clean, budget-conscious, DIY, spend-the-money-where-it-counts, high-attention-to-detail, impeccable-build-quality, and understanding-of-limitations cafe racer project.  I am only going to build one Honda cafe racer in my life before I move on to the next project, and I am going to do it the way I think it should be done.  I assert that sportbikes should be fast, cruisers should be cool, bobbers should be cheap, and cafe racers should be a little of all three.  It's a 70's Japanese motorcycle that would love to spend the rest of its days zipping through traffic to the Cheesecake Factory across town and I can't imagine doing anything else with it.  Track days or canyon carving?  It's clunky and slow (relatively).  Cruising Coast Highway or the Strip?  It's not very comfortable (relatively).  So I will be building a cafe racer - purposefully and intentionally.

A couple of features that this forum might be interested in - some slightly-fringe mods that I feel are under-represented online - like an external oil tank delete, detabbed and smoothed frame,  internal throttle, remote master cylinder, cables trimmed and tucked, custom seat/seat pan/cowl, high-tech electronics, and a laundry list design details.  I had trouble finding many pics of white bikes with white frames, so I'll try it out.

That's about it, two-more quick notes.  I have a full-time job, two full-time kids and a sporadically understanding wife.  Build will run from August of this year until June of next year with updates every two weeks... so if you are interested, I'll post some details in the main forum and I look forward to getting some help along the way.

Thanks in advance,
m@

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Re: New Member/New Project Introduction - "Cafe Brimstone"
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2018, 06:09:10 AM »
Welcome from NE MN,

It sounds like you will be moving over to the project thread for updates on progress.  We would like to see a before picture here.

-MD
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Re: New Member/New Project Introduction - "Cafe Brimstone"
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2018, 06:50:38 AM »
A couple of features that this forum might be interested in - some slightly-fringe mods that I feel are under-represented online - like an external oil tank delete http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,170531.0.html You can't "delete" the oil tank, but you can relocate it or configure it differently.detabbed and smoothed frame a very common treatment  internal throttle Nick (sinister) did this on his bike, as did GV1390, remote master cylinder, cables trimmed and tucked, custom seat/seat pan/cowl, high-tech electronics plenty of folks use Motogadget M-Units and modern electronics, and a laundry list design details.  I had trouble finding many pics of white bikes with white frames JAS did this with his 350, and all Police models were white/white. Often the reason you don't see it done is its difficult to avoid making the bike look an Ice Cream truck., so I'll try it out.
It is very difficult to do something "new" that hasn't been done before with these bikes. That's a blessing and a curse. Its a blessing because all the mistakes and solutions and sources are well documented. Its a curse as you'll struggle to make it "uniquely" different, if that's your objective.

But you should build the bike you want, regardless of whether its similar or different to someone else's. Just avoid all the trappings of "aesthetics over function".
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Re: New Member/New Project Introduction - "Cafe Brimstone"
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2018, 08:02:22 AM »
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Re: New Member/New Project Introduction - "Cafe Brimstone"
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2018, 04:03:25 PM »
A couple of features that this forum might be interested in - some slightly-fringe mods that I feel are under-represented online - like an external oil tank delete http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,170531.0.html You can't "delete" the oil tank, but you can relocate it or configure it differently.detabbed and smoothed frame a very common treatment  internal throttle Nick (sinister) did this on his bike, as did GV1390, remote master cylinder, cables trimmed and tucked, custom seat/seat pan/cowl, high-tech electronics plenty of folks use Motogadget M-Units and modern electronics, and a laundry list design details.  I had trouble finding many pics of white bikes with white frames JAS did this with his 350, and all Police models were white/white. Often the reason you don't see it done is its difficult to avoid making the bike look an Ice Cream truck., so I'll try it out.
It is very difficult to do something "new" that hasn't been done before with these bikes. That's a blessing and a curse. Its a blessing because all the mistakes and solutions and sources are well documented. Its a curse as you'll struggle to make it "uniquely" different, if that's your objective.

But you should build the bike you want, regardless of whether its similar or different to someone else's. Just avoid all the trappings of "aesthetics over function".

Thanks so much for the feedback.  Right on.
I do understand that it is 2018 and it is difficult to do something new to a CB.  And I don't really intend to with this project.  This is a home-made budgeted build and I do not contend that the design or fab aspects are unique, but the value-added documentation, videos, and walkthroughs will be.
I know that internal throttles have been done before... I have read through the forum posts and installation instructions.... and I think they are a little lacking. 
Something as simple as making a custom length clutch cable... I would love to provide a step-by-step install video and an accurate description of the parts I chose and why.  My vision is a complete start to finish 1080p video documentation of the entire project that I feel doesn't exist.

Derived the inspiration from a couple of folks online, this guy:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaCeZbKO9L2QrozTYVv_pDQ - great YouTube videos - good production quality, interesting to watch and most importantly provided me with a ton of motivation.... For me - a little too high-level and little too light on hard content, but I recommend that everyone watch these for enrichment.
Also, you probably know this guy:
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=63166.0 - what a great home build, and so motivational.  Undoubtedly that build thread has kickstarted tons of projects for people who were afraid to take that first step in their garage or had simply fallen out of love with their bike.

I just want everyone on these forums who are afraid to take an angle grinder to their baby... to understand that it is just metal and wires and linkages and elbow grease and it can all be sorted out with a little perseverance.  Many of the people's skills on this forum will forever exceed my own, but others are just starting out, and could benefit from some more tech with some high production quality.

thanks so much for taking the time to respond, calj737.
-m@

P.S.  For the oil tank "delete," I am going to try out this item: http://sumpthing.net/
I don't have any first hand experience with it... the part is less than a year old I believe, but I've talked to the owner and a guy that has installed it... and I am going to give it a try.


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Re: New Member/New Project Introduction - "Cafe Brimstone"
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2018, 04:12:05 PM »
Welcome from NE MN,

It sounds like you will be moving over to the project thread for updates on progress.  We would like to see a before picture here.

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Re: New Member/New Project Introduction - "Cafe Brimstone"
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2018, 08:07:07 PM »
Welcome from NE MN,

It sounds like you will be moving over to the project thread for updates on progress.  We would like to see a before picture here.

-MD



Thanks,

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Re: New Member/New Project Introduction - "Cafe Brimstone"
« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2018, 09:43:16 AM »
Welcome from Georgia, can't wait to watch, and follow.
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Re: New Member/New Project Introduction - "Cafe Brimstone"
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2018, 11:44:05 AM »
Welcome to the board. I'm interested to see how the sump thing works for you.

You've got good lines with that F tank.
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