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Offline UnclearFizzyCyst

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'75 CB750F (0) GAS Cap horror show
« on: September 30, 2019, 12:55:13 PM »
I'll skip the #$%*in' and cut straight to the chase.

Does someone (anyone?) know where I can get ANY vented gas cap that will fit?

Mine's permanently vented with all that that entails...

Part number 17620-390-000 is the original but the X-X-010 version should work too, apparently.

Tank's cunningly designed to not work with generic vented caps :(

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Re: '75 CB750F (0) GAS Cap horror show
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2019, 12:58:16 PM »
Oh dear, it would seem females of the dog species are called by a naughty word... :D

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Re: '75 CB750F (0) GAS Cap horror show
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2019, 01:55:45 PM »
 The gas tanks themselves from the 1975-76 750F series are notorious for rust holes. Your saying that your tank is good but the gas cap is rusted and unusable. Hopefully someone might have an extra kicking around or know of a cross-fit. Always can try a thread in the "Parts Wanted" section.

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Re: '75 CB750F (0) GAS Cap horror show
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2019, 02:31:36 PM »
I’ve noticed vintagecb750.com sells that specific cap. Haven’t tried one.

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Re: '75 CB750F (0) GAS Cap horror show
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2019, 02:35:53 PM »
I took a good look at mine and am now wondering. I see no sign of a vent, are they vented? Rubber looks good.

I sprayed some penetrating oil into the cavity where the spring to hold the tangs tight is, just on the off chance but it's beginning to look like maybe a tank and cap pressure test are needed. Do people still do such things?

What's this about rust holes?...

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Re: '75 CB750F (0) GAS Cap horror show
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2019, 03:40:32 PM »
is this similar to what you have?

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Re: '75 CB750F (0) GAS Cap horror show
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2019, 07:54:45 PM »
My ‘75 cb750F has a cap with a solid ridge shaped handle. When twisted closed, it fits in a slot in the closing lid.

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Re: '75 CB750F (0) GAS Cap horror show
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2019, 08:49:37 PM »
 I wonder if 77/78K caps are the same? Or 750A gas caps?
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Re: '75 CB750F (0) GAS Cap horror show
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2019, 04:13:42 AM »
is this similar to what you have?

no answer yet...ok...so..the pics are of a 75 550F cap. if the 750 is similar...see the ridge ( line) on the cap? That's the vent line. On the underside of the cap at the end of that line there is a tiny "v" in the metal pressing. That's where the air enters and leaves. It clogs. take your choices as to methods to clear it....hope this helps..

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Re: '75 CB750F (0) GAS Cap horror show
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2019, 06:35:12 AM »
I thought of another possibility too, a weak spring holding the cap down under reduced pressure may allow breathing. I'll check the 'ridge' (I did wonder why it was there as it didn't seem to point to anything).

The hardest part's figuring out if it's worked...

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Re: '75 CB750F (0) GAS Cap horror show
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2019, 06:46:50 AM »
BennelliSEI, I think you have the 'replacement x-x-010' part.

jih3rd, is there any kind of valve working inside that vent? I find it hard to believe it's always open. Maybe it works in combination with the rubber seal and the compression spring. Do you know?

Thanks for the answers, I'll get back with results later if I have any :)

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Re: '75 CB750F (0) GAS Cap horror show
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2019, 08:37:32 AM »
Here is the one that looks like my cap......

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Re: '75 CB750F (0) GAS Cap horror show
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2019, 08:46:18 AM »
I am confused. What is the problem you are trying to solve? You have the correct stock cap for that model F. I don't understand your focus on the vent.
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Re: '75 CB750F (0) GAS Cap horror show
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2019, 09:05:57 AM »
i'm a little confused too, but he's talking venting issues so i just offered what i know..
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Re: '75 CB750F (0) GAS Cap horror show
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2019, 09:06:19 AM »
My problem is condensation in the fuel. Culprit is almost always an open vent to atmosphere. Ethanol laced fuel, especially, absorbs water from the atmosphere and regardless of fuel there's condensation too.

I thought that gas cap vents don't breathe freely but only 'inhale' when the inside pressure drops below whatever may interfere with flow to the carbs.

If the vent's always open you'll get moisture (humidity) constantly entering to replace whatever's condensed out into the tank.

I may be completely wrong so please set me straight if I am as I'm at my wit's end with it.

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Re: '75 CB750F (0) GAS Cap horror show
« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2019, 09:42:48 AM »
well, my opinion...i don't know how much you're getting but even as a young guy i had always heard to never store or leave a gas tank half empty or less as moisture collects , especially during winter months. i also adhere to the belief to always topping off my gas tanks to further help eliminate condensation.
    I always thought gas caps were just vented, period, at least vintage vehicles. Newer cars appear to have " one way" caps but that's because of the closed fuel systems in association with the pcv systems which vent over pressure. I've gotten the rush of air with some cars when removing the cap which usually means something in the pcv system is malfunctioning.
    Plus, when burning fuel, that creates negative pressure which pulls in outside air containing moisture, which would be the biggest source. So, sitting static, should not matter, except for normal condensation.
      I flew aircraft for a living and when flying the smaller piston aircraft we always had to drain the tanks as a preflight item because of condensation......you'd be surprised at the water that could collect.....
       probably not helping, but, just how much water are you getting?

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Re: '75 CB750F (0) GAS Cap horror show
« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2019, 10:02:44 AM »
The vents on these caps are just a fairly small orifice, they have to vent in and out to accommodate barometric pressure changes and internal pressure changes as the tank warms and cools. Water from humidity increases as the tank gets empty, a full tank won't "breathe" in/out outside air much - quite a bit of water can collect with a nearly empty tank in a humid environment. Empty isn't so bad because with some fuel the water will puddle under it and not be able to evaporate... eventually rusting through the bottom of the tank.

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Re: '75 CB750F (0) GAS Cap horror show
« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2019, 01:24:17 PM »
If you need a replacement gas cap (identical to your’s), I have one that I can sell.


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Re: '75 CB750F (0) GAS Cap horror show
« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2019, 06:41:44 PM »
UFC,

Are you trying to use a K gas cap on your F tank...?

My F1 has the factory tank spill/overflow hose still intact..My F1 caps looks like the 550 one with the folding handle...When it is on completely, the handle folds down allowing tank cover to close...this cap is temporarily stored in a (lever) spring loaded slot while fueling the tank, since the cap chain won't allow many options clear of paint...

..I don't believe mine suffers from your condensation worries...
Perhaps I should be more attentive... I usually use the bowl drains on the carbs to check for water.
I disconnect the line to carbs and drain tank after winter storage.

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