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Re: CB 750, one sided swingarm, Ducati rear wheel, GSX/R forks, Motogadget
« Reply #25 on: June 23, 2020, 02:09:49 PM »
Quote from: anotherCB on June 23, 2020, 01:01:39 PM
No, I haven't, just focused on getting it running first, but I am getting there eventually. There are a few things I need to address before I can go on a longer test ride.
I know that I can push the fork tubes through to get the bike lower in the front, not sure if that would make a difference, but what else is there I could do to adjust geometry? I am not very familiar with custom bikes so need to look into that.
Change the offset back to stock, closer to 50-55mm. GSXR is closer to 30-35mm.
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Re: CB 750, one sided swingarm, Ducati rear wheel, GSX/R forks, Motogadget
« Reply #26 on: June 23, 2020, 03:10:48 PM »
Yeah, but I have the Cognito Moto triple tree with the integrated Motogadget unit that I would have to give up.
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Re: CB 750, one sided swingarm, Ducati rear wheel, GSX/R forks, Motogadget
« Reply #27 on: June 23, 2020, 06:32:32 PM »
Quote from: anotherCB on June 23, 2020, 01:01:39 PM
No, I haven't, just focused on getting it running first, but I am getting there eventually. There are a few things I need to address before I can go on a longer test ride.
I know that I can push the fork tubes through to get the bike lower in the front, not sure if that would make a difference, but what else is there I could do to adjust geometry? I am not very familiar with custom bikes so need to look into that.

You could alter the trail by using a different fork offset with the triple trees.  I believe you are using a Cognitomoto triple tree with the GSXR front.  In selecting the offset, however, did you mention to Devin at Cognitomoto that you would be running a longer swingarm?  If so, he may have already taken this into consideration.  If not, Devin may let you exchange it for a different offset if needed.  You should measure your fork offset, rake and trail and see how it compares to stock geometry.
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Re: CB 750, one sided swingarm, Ducati rear wheel, GSX/R forks, Motogadget
« Reply #28 on: June 23, 2020, 07:31:41 PM »
You could alter the trail by using a different fork offset with the triple trees.  I believe you are using a Cognitomoto triple tree with the GSXR front.  In selecting the offset, however, did you mention to Devin at Cognitomoto that you would be running a longer swingarm?  If so, he may have already taken this into consideration.  If not, Devin may let you exchange it for a different offset if needed.  You should measure your fork offset, rake and trail and see how it compares to stock geometry.
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I bought the bike as is, with forks and swingarm installed, not running with carbs apart. I know that the PO dealt quite a bit with the guys at Cognito Moto. My plan is to get it running right first, get the carbs adjusted and then look into the geometry. That is something I don't have much experience with, so should be a fun learning exercise! Thanks for pointing it out!
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Re: CB 750, one sided swingarm, Ducati rear wheel, GSX/R forks, Motogadget
« Reply #29 on: July 14, 2020, 07:43:36 PM »
Well, I guess I screwed up....

Bike was running really well, it just needed a carb sync and I wanted to double-check a few other things, one of those being cam chain tension. According to the Clymer cylinders 1-4 need to be at TDC + a few degress (whatever the book said). I didn't pay attention that there 2 different TDCs, one after the compression stroke and the other one after the exhaust stroke and from what I know now is that I think I had set the cam chain tensioner with the valves of Cyl 1 open. Long story short, I think the timing chain must have jumped over and I am afraid a valve hit a piston...Or what else could have happened?

I had thought about pulling the engine before this happened to strip off the ugly paint job, this makes the decision easier. Out it will go.

I will let y'all know what I find.
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Re: CB 750, one sided swingarm, Ducati rear wheel, GSX/R forks, Motogadget
« Reply #30 on: July 15, 2020, 11:06:09 AM »
That's a bummer. 
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Re: CB 750, one sided swingarm, Ducati rear wheel, GSX/R forks, Motogadget
« Reply #31 on: July 15, 2020, 12:59:42 PM »
Quote from: SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan on July 15, 2020, 11:06:09 AM
That's a bummer.

Indeed. Only good thing, I wanted to pull the engine anyways to strip off the horrible paint job, but hopefully I don't have to spend to many $$$ for parts.
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Re: CB 750, one sided swingarm, Ducati rear wheel, GSX/R forks, Motogadget
« Reply #32 on: July 17, 2020, 12:21:02 PM »
Collateral damage....I'll start another thread in the SOHC4 forum titled "K8 Engine Damage - cam shaft sprocket in pieces".
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Re: CB 750, one sided swingarm, Ducati rear wheel, GSX/R forks, Motogadget
« Reply #33 on: July 17, 2020, 05:10:10 PM »
Quote from: anotherCB on July 17, 2020, 12:21:02 PM
Collateral damage....I'll start another thread in the SOHC4 forum titled "K8 Engine Damage - cam shaft sprocket in pieces".

Woof! You don't see that everyday.
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2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
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Re: CB 750, one sided swingarm, Ducati rear wheel, GSX/R forks, Motogadget
« Reply #34 on: July 17, 2020, 06:23:13 PM »
At least now I am thinking the cam sprocket wasn't tightened down to the cam properly, doesn't make me feel that bad. Although I learned my lesson, I guess if you buy a bike "ran when parked" anything can happen!
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Re: CB 750, one sided swingarm, Ducati rear wheel, GSX/R forks, Motogadget
« Reply #35 on: July 17, 2020, 07:36:51 PM »
Man that sucks! You really cant trust it unless you put it together yourself, even then its sketchy. LOL Bummed for you man.  ;(
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Re: CB 750, one sided swingarm, Ducati rear wheel, GSX/R forks, Motogadget
« Reply #36 on: July 18, 2020, 11:06:09 AM »
Quote from: calj737 on April 18, 2020, 03:55:26 AM
Might want to replace that battery NEG cable and move it to a more suitable location. Grounding in that thin stamped area of the frame likely won’t get you the best results.
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Bad grounding in frame one reason of melted green wire to rectifier and sometimes more melted green wires in main harness. There are some posts about it.
I have also seen that many used rectifiers have melted green insulation or even connector housing where the pin sit on rectifier harness.

I have recently added extra ground wires to ensure good voltage with less drops.
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Re: CB 750, one sided swingarm, Ducati rear wheel, GSX/R forks, Motogadget
« Reply #37 on: July 19, 2020, 04:17:24 PM »
For whoever is interested, I started a new thread with just the engine issues here:

http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,183590.0.html
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