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Re: Early Sandcast Found......
« Reply #475 on: December 29, 2021, 12:04:28 PM »
Don, I have never seen any where you actually can draw the d washers tight.  If they are captured, you have way over-torqued.  That is why I never understood what the big deal with these has become.  What was Honda's purpose of installing them?
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Re: Early Sandcast Found......
« Reply #476 on: December 29, 2021, 01:54:57 PM »
I think it wasHonda’s attempt to prevent a ham fisted mechanic of over torquing the pinch bolts leading to cracked triple tree clamps from fatigue from the jolts if they could torque them closed to begin with….
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Re: Early Sandcast Found......
« Reply #477 on: December 29, 2021, 02:55:57 PM »
Agreed. I have several broken ones, a couple done by myself, believing you were supposed to draw them tight.
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Re: Early Sandcast Found......
« Reply #478 on: December 29, 2021, 03:03:20 PM »
  My replacement K0 fork tubes seem a bit oversize. Watch out for that when tightening the top triple. I can't draw the D washers up tight.

Don…. I found the same thing last time I used a set! Where did you get yours? I think I went to CycleEx. My originals are not bad, I may reuse them.

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Re: Early Sandcast Found......
« Reply #479 on: December 30, 2021, 01:55:25 AM »
I've actually had a "Rhino" top triple that wasn't busted, but the gap was so tight with no bolt in it that I couldn't fit a D washer in it! ;D
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Re: Early Sandcast Found......
« Reply #480 on: December 30, 2021, 03:46:23 AM »
I had to check my K2 with US rhino. Yes, the D washers sit loose, rattling.
I doubt the fork tubes are too wide. They should be tricky to fit the trees then. I put a screwdriver in each opening open them a little more to ensure no scratches in the chrome when assembled it.

It has tubes from cyclex 2013. I later ordered a set from davidsilver uk that had same wrapping around them. I think it was a Korean company. I see same wrapping from German sellers too.

Can the earlier stock tubes be thinner at the upper part?
I measured old Honda tubes from 1974-75. Same diameter.

That washer must be a stopper for muscular truck mecanics?
The later version has a thinner bolt here, M6, not M8 as the earlier. Probably to stop the guys with 1/2" socket wrenches.
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Re: Early Sandcast Found......
« Reply #481 on: December 30, 2021, 06:40:37 AM »
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Don, I have never seen any where you actually can draw the d washers tight.  If they are captured, you have way over-torqued.  That is why I never understood what the big deal with these has become.  What was Honda's purpose of installing them?
The purpose was to protect the clamp, the D washers are to thin.
Two bikes came with D washers and broken clamps.

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Re: Early Sandcast Found......
« Reply #482 on: January 04, 2022, 10:41:29 AM »
   I'm thinking my fork tubes were from 4-1 or one of the other ebay suppliers. Probably china made. Forks by Frank were not shipping back then. 
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« Reply #483 on: January 04, 2022, 05:01:24 PM »
Is "Forking by Frank" still in operation? I bought some 2" over tubes from them 20 years ago, was very impressed. ;D
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Re: Early Sandcast Found......
« Reply #484 on: January 04, 2022, 05:15:58 PM »
https://www.franksforks.com/  I think the original frank is no longer with us.
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Re: Early Sandcast Found......
« Reply #485 on: January 04, 2022, 05:40:02 PM »
https://www.franksforks.com/  I think the original frank is no longer with us.

Don… thanks for the link! I sent for a quote and will try Franks.

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Re: Early Sandcast Found......
« Reply #486 on: January 05, 2022, 07:09:34 AM »
Yesterday I was looking at my fuel tank. It’s a true wrinkle tank, with four clear indents for the carb tops, in the bottom panel. Somewhere here (years ago) I remember reading about wrinkle tanks without the recesses.....

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Re: Early Sandcast Found......
« Reply #487 on: January 05, 2022, 08:05:27 AM »
Early sandcast tanks do not have indent
Later sandcast tanks have the indent, the change gave throttle cables more room.

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Re: Early Sandcast Found......
« Reply #488 on: January 05, 2022, 03:44:56 PM »
Correct. Also, the early ones had larger capacity by two litres. Apparently there is a 2 dimple tank version as well. So Honda went from no diplme to two dimples to four dimples.
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Re: Early Sandcast Found......
« Reply #489 on: January 06, 2022, 06:24:24 AM »
Early sandcast tanks do not have indent
Later sandcast tanks have the indent, the change gave throttle cables more room.

Interesting...... mines’s pretty early, #1250. It clearly has the 4 dimples.

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Re: Early Sandcast Found......
« Reply #490 on: January 06, 2022, 04:45:56 PM »
Early sandcast tanks do not have indent
Later sandcast tanks have the indent, the change gave throttle cables more room.

Interesting...... mines’s pretty early, #1250. It clearly has the 4 dimples.
What’s the date code? Yours should be double wrinkle tank like the red one

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Re: Early Sandcast Found......
« Reply #491 on: January 06, 2022, 05:47:15 PM »
Early sandcast tanks do not have indent
Later sandcast tanks have the indent, the change gave throttle cables more room.

Interesting...... mines’s pretty early, #1250. It clearly has the 4 dimples.
What’s the date code? Yours should be double wrinkle tank like the red one

It’s too early for a VIN plate or date code. Tank looks identical to the red one. I’ll take a picture next time.

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Re: Early Sandcast Found......
« Reply #492 on: January 06, 2022, 05:56:19 PM »
Date code on the tank

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Re: Early Sandcast Found......
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Re: Early Sandcast Found......
« Reply #494 on: January 06, 2022, 06:03:52 PM »
I’m trying. Says file too large

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Re: Early Sandcast Found......
« Reply #495 on: January 06, 2022, 06:08:11 PM »
Underside. Where rear rubber holder is

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« Reply #496 on: January 06, 2022, 06:10:18 PM »
The date code is underneath by where the rubber absorber attaches. Near the side closer to the seat. Where you see all those little indentations.
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« Reply #497 on: January 06, 2022, 06:16:00 PM »
Usually starts with a 4 followed by some other numbers which relate to the anniversary of the swearing in of the Japanese emperor.
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« Reply #498 on: January 07, 2022, 01:19:24 PM »
4 3 then something between 1-31 ?

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Re: Early Sandcast Found......
« Reply #499 on: January 07, 2022, 04:37:45 PM »
Looked today, but may have missed them. Definitely “double wrinkle”.....