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Offline Kaze

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Headlight Bucket Wire Spaghetti Monster
« on: September 04, 2023, 09:19:22 PM »
You guys know about the spaghetti monster lurking in the headlight bucket, I'm sure. The past few years I've just been gently creating a hollow in the middle of the wires for the headlight plug to nest in, and then just sort of jiggle it all back in. Still fits terribly. (CB750K6 in my case)

Do you reckon there's an actual WAY to organize those wires in an orderly manner? I'm not afraid to get OCD up in there, if you have a good method, please share a photo I can copy.

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Re: Headlight Bucket Wire Spaghetti Monster
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2023, 02:06:06 AM »
No is the simple answer, just so it all fits
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Re: Headlight Bucket Wire Spaghetti Monster
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2023, 03:42:36 AM »
I've tried to get some sort of organization to the spaghetti......every time I've gone in there. Organized yet? Nope.

Honda added a junction box(#12) under the headlight on the 1975-78 750F to get some of the connections out of the headlight bucket to make more room.

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Re: Headlight Bucket Wire Spaghetti Monster
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2023, 05:52:00 AM »
It is already organized, exactly what matching the wire colors for connection does.

Do you think the transmission gears look “orderly”.

Imagine if someone desired to organize your ugly intestinal tract for a more pleasing appearance?
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Re: Headlight Bucket Wire Spaghetti Monster
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2023, 07:43:19 AM »
I get it, we'd all like to have the wiring look like the orderly setup in the average breaker box in a house when done correctly. Not possible in this case, no straight lines.
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Re: Headlight Bucket Wire Spaghetti Monster
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2023, 08:05:34 AM »
Your spaghetti monster is lightyears ahead: everything in this universe ends in chaos.
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Re: Headlight Bucket Wire Spaghetti Monster
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2023, 08:07:13 AM »
There is a way. It’s called a MotoGadget m-Unit. Costs money and requires work to re-wire, but the end result is order, reliability and cleanliness.
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Re: Headlight Bucket Wire Spaghetti Monster
« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2023, 12:58:15 PM »
Bryan J: Sort of what I thought, but it doesn't hurt to ask.

Newday777: THAT'S where I saw that. I only touched the Supersport that one time. Didn't get very deep into it.

TwoTired: Yes. The transmission gears are incredibly orderly, because they haven't been jostled around by random dudes for 46 years. My gastro-intestinal tract on the other hand, was put there by a master engineer. I have no complaints.

Detarider: Cheeekkyyyy. I like it.

Calj737: To quote Keanu Reeves, "Whoa". I definitely need to see your bike then.

Thanks guys. I'll do what I can.

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Re: Headlight Bucket Wire Spaghetti Monster
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2023, 01:27:35 PM »
The best thing is connecting up a brand new wiring harness and trying to get every wire, every lead just perfect.
Then you get to the headlight...
And get everything connected up just so....and then cram it all in to make room for the headlight. ::)
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Offline Kaze

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Re: Headlight Bucket Wire Spaghetti Monster
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2023, 09:13:30 PM »
BAHAHAHA! Cram it!

After this conversation today, I was 147% determind to go out and set up this great new wiring arrangement, and post a photo. So I went out the bike, and opened the headlight and stared at it for a while. It turns out, all you have to do is just unplug everything, stick the wires to the sides with double-stick tape and leave it that way. Then when you want to ride, you just climb on, and make "Vroom vroom!" noises with your lips until your wife comes out and tells you to get in the house before someone calls the cops. My gas mileage is going to be phenomenal!

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Re: Headlight Bucket Wire Spaghetti Monster
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2023, 10:53:13 PM »
 When you can close the door on a super sport wiring box without breaking the hinge, it's perfect. And the headlight is still a mess.
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Re: Headlight Bucket Wire Spaghetti Monster
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2023, 12:19:26 PM »
When you can close the door on a super sport wiring box without breaking the hinge, it's perfect. And the headlight is still a mess.

That box on the “F’s” makes the “K” headlight am simple!

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Re: Headlight Bucket Wire Spaghetti Monster
« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2023, 12:48:37 PM »
When you can close the door on a super sport wiring box without breaking the hinge, it's perfect. And the headlight is still a mess.

That box on the “F’s” makes the “K” headlight am simple!
for sure!

Follow some Japanese shops on Instagram like Yamiya and SWD.  These guys have done it.   I don't know how.  They don't show us how they do it.  Just another part of the bike that Japanaese restoration and custom shops have made better than factory.
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Re: Headlight Bucket Wire Spaghetti Monster
« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2023, 01:07:06 PM »
 I'd assume you separate the individual wire bundles as they come into the bucket into what cable they go to.
  I wired my 40 chevy coupe using fishing line and half hitches every inch or so to keep each wire parallel and in its bundle. A tiny drop of super glue on the half hitches made them semi-permanent.
  I used free (for picking it off the floor of a job) new fire alarm stranded wire on an automotive application, it was later explained to me the incorrect application made it prone to failure. That was 1984, the Painless brand wiring kit I bought is still in the box waiting for the day that I need it.
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