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Offline Bryn

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Trying to balance carbs
« on: July 15, 2024, 01:26:54 AM »
Hi all, having trouble balancing the carbs on my 550K3 ….the carbs themselves were refurbed by Gergen Van Der Meer in the Netherlands in Feb this year… and I’ve had them off and checked for sticking floats etc….

New inlet rubbers fitted and seated correctly.

There is no middle ground with the idle adjuster… it’s either struggling to tick over or revving to 3000rpm…

Occasional backfire and lots of smoke … completely stumped as to what is causing it….

Also the other day I left it ticking over to warm it up…and the revs just shot up randomly to around 3000 rpm when I was nowhere near it…

Any advice appreciated

Bryn  :o

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Re: Trying to balance carbs
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2024, 01:52:33 AM »
Hi Bryn.
As you're in UK, maybe consider joining the UK Forum if you haven't done so already, as many member on there have had their carbs overhauled by Gerben, who is also a forum member on the UK site.
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It is well known the the 550K3 Keihin PD carbs are the invention of the devil though 😁😁😁
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Re: Trying to balance carbs
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2024, 02:21:34 AM »
Thanks for that suggestion…I didn’t realise there was a UK forum   ::)

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Re: Trying to balance carbs
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2024, 03:40:01 AM »
First realise K3s have a funny behaviour at cold starts. They either immediately rev over 3000 rpm or die. Train yourself playing that choke knob is the only you can do. Previous models didn't show this behaviour: after a cold start one could return the chokes to fully open within a few seconds and then keep the rpm at a steady 2000 either by the throttle grip or by the idle adjust knob for the first mile. Not so with the K3s. Has to do with the leaner running that was inforced from 1977 on.
Having said that, I consider it a good routine to check the ignition first. What ignition is on yours, conventional or other? When it runs, does it run on all fours?
Are breakerpoints properly gapped?
Is the timing right and does the advancer function OK? When the bike has been inactive for a long period of time, make sure the advancer moves smoothly and does not stick.
Arcing at the breakerpoints may indicate a faulty condenser.
Concerning the carbs. Do all 4 vent? Does fuel arrive unhampered in the float bowls? Any 'extra' fuel filter that may hinder flow? At what level have the floats been set: 12,5 or 14,5mm? You may perform a clear tube test to check the fuel level in the bowls. Level should be some 3mm below the flange.
What colour is the smoke? When it's black, see to it nothing obstructs the air intake. A forgotten cloth under the seat? When it's white smoke, any chance there is water in the fuel? Inspect the paper airfilter element. Is it wet and/or fouled by that breather element under it?
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Re: Trying to balance carbs
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2024, 11:24:11 AM »
As above from Deltarider, also have you checked your valve clearances are set correctly?

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Re: Trying to balance carbs
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2024, 11:46:31 AM »
Check that the throttle slides aren't backwards in there, I once got a set of carbs as a gift with the comment "I can't get my bike to run right on these". And that was the problem.

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Re: Trying to balance carbs
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2024, 08:42:19 AM »
 :) Thank you all for the suggestions…. Going to work my way through them

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Re: Trying to balance carbs
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2024, 10:26:46 AM »
Consider also slowing down the now-weakened springs in the spark advancer. The years of heat cycling have softened them (and they were marginally too soft to begin with), so they advance much too soon. This gets the spark advance 'ahead' of the fuel-air mixture (which gets leaner as RPM rises) and then it has a strong tendency to both not idle when cold, and jump to high engine speeds with just the flick of the grip - and not when you want it to. ;)

I recommend at the very least to remove 1/2 turn from both springs of the advancer. Then bend the next 1/2 turn outward to set back over the little spring post that anchors them in place.
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Re: Trying to balance carbs
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2024, 04:24:11 AM »
Thanks for that…. The carbs are as good as I can get balance wise…it is ticking over better than it was… but again…info stored and will continue messing with it  ;)