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Offline Pinhead

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'79 CB650 Muffler Dissasembly
« on: May 01, 2007, 10:36:43 PM »
How do I pull this thing out (circled in red)? I've pulled, twisted, cranked, hammered, and pretty much every combination and it won't come out.

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Re: '79 CB650 Muffler Dissasembly
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2007, 01:12:06 AM »
Have you tried a slide hammer with a internal puller on the end of it?


How did you get those freiking ?screws?(are they screws, almost look like rivets) that are on the end?
I have though of modifying my exhaust as well.
When you get the baffle(s) out, could you post a pic?


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Re: '79 CB650 Muffler Dissasembly
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2007, 07:35:21 AM »
They're rivets; I ground them off with an angle grinder. The picture doesn't show it very well, but the steel "plate" that was there is welded to the center baffle that I'm now trying to remove. I had to bend it around and twist to break it off. Even doing all of that didn't pull the baffle out. It is lose, though, and I can move it from side to side, but not front-to-back.
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Re: '79 CB650 Muffler Dissasembly
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2007, 01:49:50 PM »
Well, I got them out. They're basically "glass packs" that are about 6 inches long. I just had to do a heck of a lot of pulling to get them out. They're simply shoved into a hole that's about the same size (tight fit). The steel plate with the 3 rivets is all that was holding it all together (other than carbon). I'm going to try to make my own glass pack that will flow much more than the stock ones do. It should sound about the same as stock (maybe a little deeper) but offer less restriction. The picture with the red, yellow and blue circles shows how the tail baffle works. The red circle is the exhaust coming from the front of the muffler. The blue one is where the exhaust is reflected back into the chamber behind it, and the yellow circle is where the inserts fit, ultimately leading to the exit of the muffler system.

I'll probably run them only for a short while, though, because I love the sound!



I'll try to get a recording, but all I have is my camera/video phone (I'll have to figure out how to keep the sound from over driving the microphone). It's not nearly as loud as open headers, but obviously louder than stock. It doesn't have any "buzz" to it at high revs, and has kind of a resonating deep tone to it. Hopefully I'll be able to get a decent recording.

The performance seems to be up all the way around, though I recently side-gapped my spark plugs; the combination of the two is probably where the performance is coming from. I'll see how where gas mileage goes after I run a tank through it.

Edit: If you're careful you could grind the rivets off of the back plate and twist the rear baffle out without damaging anything. If you don't like the sound you could simply put it back in and rive it all back together. Just be sure to twist and try not to bend up the plate up like I did. It's not screwed in, just takes quite a bit of pulling/twisting to loose the carbon deposits.
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Re: '79 CB650 Muffler Dissasembly
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2007, 06:08:51 AM »
I drilled out the rivets with a drill bit and put a pair of locking vice grips on the tip of the exhaust and hit it out with a hammer.  Takes a while...but it worked.  I didn't notice any performance gains.  Kind of made the bike sound like a harley  :-\  (luckily i have a set of good pipes: i put those back on)
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Re: '79 CB650 Muffler Dissasembly
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2008, 08:20:02 AM »
BTT by request...
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Re: '79 CB650 Muffler Dissasembly
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2009, 11:25:11 AM »
zoooooooombie thread! 

Just wondering, Pinhead, if you ever found a good way to glass pack it OR if there were replacement baffles available anywhere that would work for those of us with nice originals that are maybe just a little rotten on the inside...
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Re: '79 CB650 Muffler Dissasembly
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2009, 11:31:24 AM »
Nice  ;D  Mine have road rash on one side and I've been trying to figure out how to clean em up. I'll be painting them with high temp. Do you think it would be possible to remove the rivets and packing, clean it all up (the road rash I mean) and put the original packing back in if it's still decent? What would you suggest using for the rivets, sorry all I have experience with is aluminum pop rivents.

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Re: '79 CB650 Muffler Dissasembly
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2009, 09:38:45 PM »
zoooooooombie thread! 

Just wondering, Pinhead, if you ever found a good way to glass pack it OR if there were replacement baffles available anywhere that would work for those of us with nice originals that are maybe just a little rotten on the inside...

Nah, I never did finish trying to reassemble these pipes, as shortly later they pretty much fell off the bike right where the "muffler" attaches to the collector. I went with 2" straight pipes and never looked back! :D

Nice  ;D  Mine have road rash on one side and I've been trying to figure out how to clean em up. I'll be painting them with high temp. Do you think it would be possible to remove the rivets and packing, clean it all up (the road rash I mean) and put the original packing back in if it's still decent? What would you suggest using for the rivets, sorry all I have experience with is aluminum pop rivents.

Thanks,

Brandon

I don't think it would be necessary to remove the packing/rear baffle if you simply want to remove road rash. I may be misunderstanding the question, though. Any pictures?
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Re: '79 CB650 Muffler Dissasembly
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2009, 10:45:24 AM »
Sorry, been busy, Here is a pic of the road rash on the pipe.
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Re: '79 CB650 Muffler Dissasembly
« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2009, 12:05:58 PM »
Iam dealing with the same thing on my 82 exhaust that i want to have chromed ( i can't get that damn baffle out either!) i see how the vise grip method would work but doesn't that scatch the hell out of the baffle tips?
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Re: '79 CB650 Muffler Dissasembly
« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2009, 12:30:29 PM »
On mine, I'm toying with either trying to fill in the rash with welding rod using my oxy gas rig, or I'm thought of jb weld, its supposed to be good up to 300 degrees F, any thoughts?

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Re: '79 CB650 Muffler Dissasembly
« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2009, 04:18:42 PM »
Ouch   That makes my crappy set look good.   I do have one crappy right leftover.
I will never sell my very good set.  ;D
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Re: '79 CB650 Muffler Dissasembly
« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2009, 05:12:54 PM »
 :(  If it wasn't for the road rash the set would be decent, well, other than the rusty headers.

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