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how do you fabricate a cafe seat using stock pan?
« on: June 21, 2007, 07:41:58 PM »
i have been reading a lot of threads recently on here about bike restoration and since i have two extra cbs (one is a stock 71 cb 500 the other a stock 77 cb 550) i would like to turn one of them into a cafe racer,the other into a bobber.i have typed in how to build a cafe seat (nothing informative there)and a variety of other wordings for cafe seats(nothing there either).i know there must be a thread some where on how to make one using a stock seat pan.if anyone can point me in the right direction that would be great.i really dont want to buy one if i can make it myself ;)i have a friend who has been making leather jackets and boots and belts for years and if i can find a thread on how to strip the seat down,add what type of foam,cut it to size etc.the rest should be easy ::)
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Re: how do you fabricate a cafe seat using stock pan?
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2007, 08:03:01 PM »
Carpy made mine. You can see some of his here. Maybe give you some ideas.
Seems you glue foam on pan and cut till it works, then stitch a nice cover.  http://www.cb750cafe.com/parts.php?id=10

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Re: how do you fabricate a cafe seat using stock pan?
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2007, 08:06:53 PM »
wow those look sweeeeeet.i like the one up front :o.how much if you dont mind me asking ;)and are those stock pans?opppps never mind $500.00(ouch)but they do look nice
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Re: how do you fabricate a cafe seat using stock pan?
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2007, 08:15:20 PM »
well i did find a thread where someone used foam and fibreglass ;D.looked good.imight give it a try.i will have to find a boat shop in Toronto to see about the fibreglass.i will let everyone know how it goes when i get it all together
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Re: how do you fabricate a cafe seat using stock pan?
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2007, 08:18:34 PM »


          You can also make one using the rear portion of a gas tank for the cowl. Check it out.

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Re: how do you fabricate a cafe seat using stock pan?
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2007, 08:21:25 PM »
interesting...thx bill
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Re: how do you fabricate a cafe seat using stock pan?
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2007, 08:59:29 PM »


              Sure thing Neil, BTW check out StevieMac's Cafe. His seat has the rear of a Sportster gas tank
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Re: how do you fabricate a cafe seat using stock pan?
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2007, 09:04:17 PM »
also, if you're interested in making one, and don't want to mess with fiberglass.http://www.shopmaninc.com/foam.html
 sells a two part foam that is about as hard as pine but light,easily sanded and finished, or padded and upholstered durable enough to make a seat hump out of without a fiberglass shell. it is hard enough to hold screws so long as there isn't a huge load on them, screws to hold upholstery snaps is fine, holding a tourpack is not.

 it was always a 'secret weapon' when I needed to make a structural component that was light and quick to do.
 
 I've used foam and fiberglass since the 70's for building stuff, and used that high density foam on a lot of parts for cruise cars,  especialy when it was 'need it done yesterday' jobs, it works well. If you have a regular mold built so you can pour it, the stuff forms a skin that is almost ready for paint when you pull it from the mold. some spoilers and flares are made commercialy of the same stuff

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Re: how do you fabricate a cafe seat using stock pan?
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2007, 09:15:52 PM »
practice makes perfect.  i would try to make a new pan before i messed up the original :-\.  some sheet metal and rivots are cheap, a new seat could get expensive.  i doesn't have to look the best, it is all gonna get covered up by foam and material anyway.
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Re: how do you fabricate a cafe seat using stock pan?
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2007, 10:55:08 PM »
Neil

I remember reading a thread on this board were the fabricator removed the factory vinyl covering, soaked the foam with water and tossed it in the freezer. Once frozen he shaped the solid block with an angle grinder fitted with a sanding disc until the desired shape was achieved. After the correct shape is reached, a new vinyl cover can be made to fit.

Sorry I don’t remember the thread.

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Re: how do you fabricate a cafe seat using stock pan?
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2007, 12:27:49 AM »
practice makes perfect.  i would try to make a new pan before i messed up the original :-\.  some sheet metal and rivots are cheap, a new seat could get expensive.  i doesn't have to look the best, it is all gonna get covered up by foam and material anyway.
i have three spare seats ;D.so i can @#$% it up a couple of times if i like ::)...oh and i love jimmies quote about slinkies  lmao
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Re: how do you fabricate a cafe seat using stock pan?
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2007, 12:35:46 AM »
also, if you're interested in making one, and don't want to mess with fiberglass.http://www.shopmaninc.com/foam.html
 sells a two part foam that is about as hard as pine but light,easily sanded and finished, or padded and upholstered durable enough to make a seat hump out of without a fiberglass shell. it is hard enough to hold screws so long as there isn't a huge load on them, screws to hold upholstery snaps is fine, holding a tourpack is not.

 it was always a 'secret weapon' when I needed to make a structural component that was light and quick to do.
 
 I've used foam and fiberglass since the 70's for building stuff, and used that high density foam on a lot of parts for cruise cars,  especialy when it was 'need it done yesterday' jobs, it works well. If you have a regular mold built so you can pour it, the stuff forms a skin that is almost ready for paint when you pull it from the mold. some spoilers and flares are made commercialy of the same stuff

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i love this site...great idea and not to pricey either.thx ken ;)
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Re: how do you fabricate a cafe seat using stock pan?
« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2007, 05:53:32 AM »
I built my seat out of a stock seat pan. I have an F model bike with the Duck tail hind end, so I think it lends itself a little better to the process, but a K model seat can be made to work as well

here's my process:
Strip down the stock seat. (Don't throw anything away... yet)
Mount the seat pan back on the bike.
Use your choice of material to form the design that you want -
   I used Hardware cloth to form the "hump." It's galvanized to prevent corrosion, forms easily, and gives a good sturdy base for the next step.
Fiberglass over the form. -
   This is where I like the hardware cloth: The cloth gives the fiberglass a skeleton, so to speak. As I do this, it all gets formed into one, big unit. If I were to do it again, I think I would make the hump removable.
Couple extra layers of fiberglass -
   I used three, but more could be put on - especially if you don't use a Skeleton like I did, you'll want more layers for strength.
I also used a strip of thin sheet metal on the end to 1.) smooth over the edge, and 2.) I was going with the Snap look and wanted something stronger to put a snap on. It was a major pain in the ass, but I made it work at the end of the day.
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I bought Marine-Grade vinyl for my seat. Sews easy. less care needed than leather. Personal choice. -
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If your stock foam is okay - cut it down to make your new seat pad.
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Hope this helps at least a little.
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Re: how do you fabricate a cafe seat using stock pan?
« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2007, 06:14:11 AM »
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Re: how do you fabricate a cafe seat using stock pan?
« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2007, 07:09:46 AM »
The foam is an easy way to go... "Great Stuff" the kind you get at home depot is not really good, but will work in a pinch.
Look for something that is "closed cell" or at the least sandable and paintable.  strip the seat down and put a blob on there

then shape it with a hacksaw blade and a cheese grater file.  Then you can sand it pretty smooth

I put some bondo on top of that to smooth / finish is out better  (that was before I realized that the fiberglass / cloth would need to be sanded and finished as well

 (you could eliminate this step and just lay fiberglass cloth & resin on top of the foam - I did 3 layers and it seems plenty strong.  I still need to smooth it out a bit before primering and painting.


Not a bad weekend project....  $6 bucks for the foam, $13 for fiberglass & resin & $7 for some bondo all at Wally World
Still have to buy some seat foam and some marine vinyl..... much cheaper than one of those Guilliarainirriniiis- but I am a cheapskate sometimes
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Re: how do you fabricate a cafe seat using stock pan?
« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2007, 08:03:35 AM »
Greenjeans

I've been following a thread by paulages on forming knee pockets in the tank and noticed that you have done it too.
Do you have any progress pictures and advice for forming knee pockets in your tank?

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« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2007, 08:26:20 AM »
Greenjeans

I've been following a thread by paulages on forming knee pockets in the tank and noticed that you have done it too.
Do you have any progress pictures and advice for forming knee pockets in your tank?

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« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2007, 08:57:37 AM »
Question on the foam, can someone sit on it or is too fragile? I'm the kinda guy who likes to put a #$%* on the back now and again and I think I could form a cowl that'd allow for this and be at least as comfortable as the maxipad Honda calls a second seat on my SuperHawk. 

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« Reply #18 on: June 22, 2007, 08:59:55 AM »
Question on the foam, can someone sit on it or is too fragile? I'm the kinda guy who likes to put a #$%* on the back now and again and I think I could form a cowl that'd allow for this and be at least as comfortable as the maxipad Honda calls a second seat on my SuperHawk. 

I'm sure the women are just mad about you, them being #$%*es and all...

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« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2007, 09:06:03 AM »
Question on the foam, can someone sit on it or is too fragile? I'm the kinda guy who likes to put a #$%* on the back now and again and I think I could form a cowl that'd allow for this and be at least as comfortable as the maxipad Honda calls a second seat on my SuperHawk. 

I'm sure the women are just mad about you, them being #$%*es and all...

I dunno, ask my girlfriend.

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Re: how do you fabricate a cafe seat using stock pan?
« Reply #20 on: June 22, 2007, 11:41:33 AM »
I put 3 layers of fiberglass cloth and resin over my foam..... extra step - but it will hold a passenger easily.
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Re: how do you fabricate a cafe seat using stock pan?
« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2007, 11:36:12 AM »
Can you drill a hole through that stuff to install a light on the seat it's self?  So it would look kinda like this one.

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Re: how do you fabricate a cafe seat using stock pan?
« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2007, 12:02:16 PM »
You can drill it...  It's fiberglass. I over-killed it I'm sure.  I put 3-4 solid layers of fiberglass mesh & cloth on it.  Probably at least 1/8" - 5/32" thick.   I was carefully drilling it, but it worked out fine.
I haven't put the foam on yet, but that should be pretty simple.  I'll try and take some better close-ups this weekend, but here it is:
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« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2007, 12:29:51 PM »
wow that looks great.im going to busy this winter i see.the only thing winter is good for (projects)
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Re: how do you fabricate a cafe seat using stock pan?
« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2007, 03:15:15 PM »
greenjeans:

that looks.............wow!!!!
love the flat black frame & mirror black tank & seat