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Crank Journal Polishing ? What to use? Crocus Cloth?
« on: December 10, 2007, 10:25:21 AM »
I want to polish my crankshaft journals before reinstalling with new bearings.
What is every one using.
I heard that Crocus cloth workes well?Does it come in different grades of fineness?
When would you use this? The journels are in quite nice shape.

I have done a few jornals as an experiment with jewelers rouge and a cotton cloth. Very shiny now.
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Re: Crank Journal Polishing ? What to use? Crocus Cloth?
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2007, 10:49:27 AM »
nothing, do not polish
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« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2007, 02:41:40 PM »
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Re: Crank Journal Polishing ? What to use? Crocus Cloth?
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2007, 06:53:23 PM »
+1, I thought this was common practice.

I don't know what material he used, but my engine builder polished my crank with a hand held machine with an emery cloth like belt on it. He put the crank in the lathe and used the machine to polish the crank.

Then, shortly there after told me I need oversize bearings   :D :) :(
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Re: Crank Journal Polishing ? What to use? Crocus Cloth?
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2007, 11:46:26 PM »
+1, I thought this was common practice.

I don't know what material he used, but my engine builder polished my crank with a hand held machine with an emery cloth like belt on it. He put the crank in the lathe and used the machine to polish the crank.

Then, shortly there after told me I need oversize bearings   :D :) :(
 Matt.

Yep.... That's what we use.

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Re: Crank Journal Polishing ? What to use? Crocus Cloth?
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2007, 12:10:37 AM »
If there is material on the journals or score marks they are junk and as Matt has probably found oversize (actualy called undersize as that is what the pin is) dont exist.

pollishing on cars/trucks is common practice where the grind tollerance is 1 thou but the honda total tollerance on the pin is 0.4 thou and in that are two tolerance sizes so any material removed is bad news

Now the biggest gap for shells (big hole,small pin) is 3.036 mm and the smallest is 3.008 mm so the variation is 0.028mm or 1.12 thou in which there are 4 different shell thicknesses So again ANY material removed is BAD news
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Re: Crank Journal Polishing ? What to use? Crocus Cloth?
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2007, 12:47:31 AM »
Jay,

How much do you reckon you removed on mine and everyone else's when you lightened and balanced the crank and installed the Carrillo rods? Sure can't be enough to trash a crank.

Please explain the procedure to everyone so we'll all understand.

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Re: Crank Journal Polishing ? What to use? Crocus Cloth?
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2007, 07:44:26 AM »
Are there really not any .010 or .020 under bearings for the crank for a CB750?  I can't believe that with all the aftermarket stuff no one makes bearings for a turned crank.



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« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2007, 12:19:14 PM »
Micropolishing take almost nothing off.. it uses a fine belt., and it should be done after fluting the oil holes.

 You guys want to go fast and have stock engine life?...aint gonna happen!.. everything is a trade-off..

Re poishing with Crocus cloth.
 If you think you are going change the size of a crank by poishing yourself with this, you better have a spare lifetime.

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Re: Crank Journal Polishing ? What to use? Crocus Cloth?
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2007, 12:40:17 PM »
Does crocus cloth come in different grades of fineness?
 
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Re: Crank Journal Polishing ? What to use? Crocus Cloth?
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2007, 01:01:34 PM »
Does crocus cloth come in different grades of fineness?
 

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Re: Crank Journal Polishing ? What to use? Crocus Cloth?
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2007, 03:00:37 PM »
If there is material on the journals or score marks they are junk and as Matt has probably found oversize (actualy called undersize as that is what the pin is) dont exist.

Ya, I'm working on a 350F.... my machinist said I would be better off if I had the crank turned with (under) sized bearings. He IS picky, or rather very good  ;)  not that I'm beyond tolerence but while I'm in there, why not do it right.

I just checked bikebandit and DSS and they both show bearings available for me... not sure about other models though  :-[ I hope there not lying or I'm up a creek!  :D

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Re: Crank Journal Polishing ? What to use? Crocus Cloth?
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2007, 06:42:39 PM »
754 beat me to it. Micro polishing removes nothing.

Byranj is comfusing micro polishing with sanding on the journal.


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