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Re: 1971 CB750 w/ double row chain and sprockets?
« Reply #25 on: December 23, 2007, 06:23:10 am »
The chromed sprockets twigged my mind - how well does chrome stand up on sprockets?  Wouldn't think it would at all given the wear.  I've seem them ceramic and powder coated too.

I've been thinking about improving the cosmetic appeal of my sprockets, but wasn't sure which way to go.
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Re: 1971 CB750 w/ double row chain and sprockets?
« Reply #26 on: December 23, 2007, 07:22:22 am »
When I converted from 630 to 530 on my 78 750 project, Sprocket Specialists only offered me an aluminum rear sprocket for this purpose which for better or worse I bought and am using.  I did not polish it but that certainly would be an option if you wanted to bling out your rear sprocket.  I am sure SS can supply you with an aluminum rear sprocket for just about any bike. 2k miles and thus far the oring chain has needed very little adjustment but can't say for sure how long the alloy sprocket will hold up.  Chrome like (or whatever color you might want) powder coat with the sprocket teeth masked off should work fine on a steel sprocket and would be relatively cheap.
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Re: 1971 CB750 w/ double row chain and sprockets?
« Reply #27 on: December 23, 2007, 08:16:47 am »
They were an aftermarket accessory, expensive and not really needed. They also came in chromed versions. The biggest issue with them was in getting the engine sprockets and wheel sprockets aligned, because these don't always match up in the stock configuration (see the chain notes in the FAQ). The K0 required notching of the chain cover at the engine to make it all fit together; I never installed one on a K1-later, so I don't know if yours is also notched. They appeared first in 1970, due to the reputation of the CB750 being "the $1695.00 chain breaker tool". I always thought of these kits as being like the guy who stuffed a sock into his tight jeans before riding the "strip" for the night....  :-\  They are heavy, adding a lot of unspring weight, and between the weight and the extra friction, consume several HP in the process before reaching the wheel.

The 530 chain can transmit over 100 HP continuously, if properly lubed. The 50 chain (and similar O-ring chains) can handle about 70 HP. The difference is in the pins inside the rollers that also connect the links together. Superior quality chains like the Diamond XL series can handle even more HP and torque. I've long used the Diamond XL100 (hard to find!), getting up to 20,000 miles on them, replacing at 1.5% chain stretch. Dyno tests in the 1970s were used to develop these chains for the motorcycle industry, specifically for the CB750 and the Kaw Blue Streak, both notorious chain breakers.

Serious drag racers avoided them for their weight and power loss...chopper 750s seemed to have lots of them!
I totally agree about the weight part. Plus I thought those double chain sprockets were supposed to offset the chain pins? Anyway a good 530 chain will handle tremendous HP....more than any CB could produce no matter what the state of build.
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Re: 1971 CB750 w/ double row chain and sprockets?
« Reply #28 on: December 23, 2007, 02:43:30 pm »
Looks like you've had your ride "pimped" Terry  ;) 8), cheers Mick.
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Re: 1971 CB750 w/ double row chain and sprockets?
« Reply #29 on: December 23, 2007, 02:45:40 pm »
I remember those kits, "Sonic Choppers" here in Melbourne used to sell them, from memory they were a smaller pitch and diameter than the OEM, probably because they used some industrial chain for the application. They did look cool, but even then, there were better options around. Cheers, Terry. ;D

I remember that, too: for the guys who didn't want to cut their cases, I suppose....there were double-row 528 and 428 chains and matching sprockets, cut out for 750/500 Hondas.

Tin-tin: I vote for chromed, with recessed centers like Honda sprockets, with the teeth masked off. Just chrome that recessed center circle. You can claim "lower unsprung weight" with steel sprockets that way, too! And, if the holes were shrunk a bit in diameter so another one could be added, the lower-yet weight would make even an better claim.

The loss of 10 lbs. unsprung weight adds an effective 1 HP to the ground, all else being equal. My racing experience really proved this out, too. We drilled sprockets like crazy, cutting the recessed centers thinner, too. Inside the wheel rims, we trimmed off all the chrome and a bit more of the metal, too. The spokes were even individually checked for "how much could be trimmed and still hold onto the spoke nipple", then we'd polish the spokes with emery cloth. We also did other items, like smaller (3.50) tires and the lightest tubes, removing the rim band, drilled holes in the rubber cushions, and in the hub where the rubber stuff was captured, the brake shoe metal parts, the hub itself got turned here and there... Between all of it, we lost nearly 4 lbs from the rear wheel. The first time you accelerated away, you immediately felt it, too.
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Re: 1971 CB750 w/ double row chain and sprockets?
« Reply #30 on: December 23, 2007, 03:03:53 pm »
Aluminum sprockets should be 7075, which is pretty close to mild steel in strength and harness. They will get good life and  weigh 1/3 of what a steel one does.
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Re: 1971 CB750 w/ double row chain and sprockets?
« Reply #31 on: December 23, 2007, 07:06:47 pm »
I saw an ABS plastic rear sprocket for a cb750 on E-Bay.  One time use drag strip part... haha

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Re: 1971 CB750 w/ double row chain and sprockets?
« Reply #32 on: December 23, 2007, 10:19:38 pm »
Nylon rear sprockets were pretty popular back in the 1970's, but they seem to have all but disappeared now? Back then, Nylon was treated with almost the same reverance as carbon fibre is now. Personally, I think carbon fibre might have the edge, ha ha! ;D
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