Topic: Behind The Curve??

[333]

So, what's the best oil to use in a Chevy?


Had to do it.

[eldar]

What is the oil bob SHOULD be using in his bike!

[DammitDan]

So, what's the best oil to use in a Chevy?


Had to do it.

You mean what's the best oil for a Chevy to use? 

[eldar]

Better to use it than pee it like a dodge!

[eldar]

Maybe we DO want to help out the big 3?

I know this site would be considered liberal but given the chinese and their wanting to buy everything, this seems possible.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-hamsher/chinese-want-to-buy-the-b_b_144920.html

[edbikerii]

Amazing how the politics of fear abound:  "Oh my god, the Chinese could buy our car companies if they go bankrupt!  We better bail them out!".  More UAW rhetoric.

So, why don't the Chinese buy them right now?  Those car company shares are out there on the public stock exchange at 50 year lows, yet the Chinese aren't buying.  Hmmmm....

Maybe we DO want to help out the big 3?

I know this site would be considered liberal but given the chinese and their wanting to buy everything, this seems possible.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-hamsher/chinese-want-to-buy-the-b_b_144920.html

[eldar]

So I see you would not care if the chinese bought them out. Maybe you could think for yourself and wonder what might happen if this DID occur? But then I suppose you do not care. I am sure everyone would like it if there was never another car built in america again. I assue you, if the chinese bought them out, it COULD happen. If they big 3 die, I would rather them just die than be sold overseas and have one of the last american legacies go to yet another foreign country.

[edbikerii]

Ah, so you're right back to arguing without even reading my posts, huh?  You'll never get anywhere with that kind of mentality.  I guess you just find it easier to argue when you put different words into the mouths of those you are arguing with.  I guess in your mind you always win an argument that way.

If you want to know where I stand, go back and read it again.  I won't bother to discuss if you don't bother to read.

So I see you would not care if the chinese bought them out. Maybe you could think for yourself and wonder what might happen if this DID occur? But then I suppose you do not care. I am sure everyone would like it if there was never another car built in america again. I assue you, if the chinese bought them out, it COULD happen. If they big 3 die, I would rather them just die than be sold overseas and have one of the last american legacies go to yet another foreign country.

[333]

But Ed, it does sound like you wouldn't care if it did happen, regardless of what you actually said.

What is making my head tilt is that during the election, you bought into the politics of fear, and now are not.  That's assuming that it is fear mongering that's happening in this case.  I see it as a distinct possibility.  And the last thing I want to see is another American "thing" falling into foreign hands.

[Roach Carver]

I like chinese food. maybe a chinese chevy would be good too. I can see it now. lots of flashing lights, loud horns and little kittens all over it.

[333]

And lots of firecrackers.


Not to be confused with our forum member that uses "Firecracker" as a screen name.

[754]

As author of this thread I must say that it has taken an interesting turn and is most interesting to read.. who woulda thot when I started it, that these things would be so important in such a short time??

 carry on..........................








 Oh yeah, the revaltion of Eldar doing brakestands was pretty cool....

[eldar]

Apparently ed, you forget what you type or you do not bother to proof-read it. So maybe it is YOUR mentality that is lacking? I will not get into that though unless you decide to first. HOWEVER, you DO make it sound like you do not care what happens. Maybe learning the English language better may be in order? Or are you looking forward to the day you are force-fed chinese?

[eldar]

When you got smoke pouring out from all sides of your vehicle and it is even coming in through the vents and the smoke is so think you cants see the lights in front of you, you know you have a good burn out!

[DammitDan]

Chopsticks, while an interesting diversion at parties or restaurants, cannot really stand up to the versatility of the fork.  And yet you still see chopsticks EVERYWHERE in Asia!

Can you imagine that kind of lack of ingenuity controlling the American vehicle manufacturing sector?

(This is of course ignoring the fact that the Japanese use chopsticks, too...)

[333]

As author of this thread I must say that it has taken an interesting turn and is most interesting to read.. who woulda thot when I started it, that these things would be so important in such a short time??

Considering that it went from Feb.21 to Nov 17 without a single comment.

Oh yeah, the revaltion of Eldar doing brakestands was pretty cool....

In an S-10 no less!

Chopsticks, while an interesting diversion at parties or restaurants, cannot really stand up to the versatility of the fork.  And yet you still see chopsticks EVERYWHERE in Asia!

Can you imagine that kind of lack of ingenuity controlling the American vehicle manufacturing sector?

(This is of course ignoring the fact that the Japanese use chopsticks, too...)

Tradition.

[edbikerii]

Um, you mean BESIDES the american motorcycle manufacturing sector, right?

Can you imagine that kind of lack of ingenuity controlling the American vehicle manufacturing sector?

[333]

I think what he's saying is that the Chinese would do it differently than the Japanese.

[edbikerii]

Yeah, probably.  I think they keep things simple, but use cheaper materials.  That seems to be their m.o.  Chang Jiang make some cool-looking bikes, but they are all purely practical, extremely inexpensive single-cylinder 125 and 250cc commuters, dual sports, mini-cruisers, and scooters.  While many of them are FED DOT approved, an acquaintance of mine found out the hard way that NJ has its own list of approved vehicles, and his wasn't on it.  He had to register it in another state.

But, some of their manufacturing is on-par with Japanese.  For example, I recently purchased a brake master cylinder from E-bay for my 550.   It fit perfectly, works perfectly, and was only ~$55 shipped to me.  The casting may not be made of the best aluminum alloy, but the design certainly is a vast improvement over the original 31 year old honda MC, and a comparable Nissin MC would have cost at least triple that amount.

I think what he's saying is that the Chinese would do it differently than the Japanese.

[DammitDan]

Actually I was just being a smartass, but if you wanna make me look intelligent then feel free! 

[Terry in Australia]

Well of course the Chinese and Indians have already had discussions with Ford (Australia) and GM (Holden) in Oz, and before our government "bailed" them out, their bankrupt parent companies in the US had already agreed to sell. Ford's engine plant in Geelong, Victoria, was scheduled to close in 2010, but this has now been averted, saving the jobs of 400 Ford workers, and 900 employees of local suppliers.

Opel (GM's major European manufacturer) is asking the German government for a 2 billion dollar bailout, as funs from GM in the US have all but dried up.

http://www.businessday.com.au/business/opel-goes-capinhand-to-merkel-20081118-699q.html

Ed asked "why don't the Chinese buy them right now?" and the answer is that they're in no hurry, the deteriorating situation in the US with the financial meltdown isn't even close to rock-bottom yet, so they'll wait until any speculation of a US government bailout for the car industry is dead, and their shares are worthless, before they come to the table. They've got plenty of money in the bank, and they're a patient race.

It'll be interesting to see whether they'll just sell the American real-estate and move the entire factories off shore like they did in Britain with MG, Rover etc, or whether they'll restructure, and keep some manufacturing assets in the US, but regardless, there will be far fewer Ford, GM and Chrysler (or whatever they'll be renamed) workers in the US in the not too distant future.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6497959.stm

What surprises me most about the "anti bailout" rhetoric out there is that if American people are so worried about their taxes going in welfare payments to their less fortunate unemployed countrymen, why are they so keen to allow another 8 - 10 million hard working American taxpayers become unemployed? 

[333]

That certainly make sense to me.  The price may be low now, but wait a while.  It will probably go lower.

[754]

..If things go real bad...


Unless some upstart new co wants to go into car manufacturing.. (not a bad  idea, sure  a few are thinking it)... the equipment at auction will have few bidders...= low realized price...


of course our hometown auction company will be only too glad to auction  off the assets... they are the biggest industrial auction house in the world...

[Bob Wessner]

Had to resurrect this one. I just saw a news item wherein the UAW was having "emergency meetings" to discuss what additional concessions they might offer as part of the Big Three [sic] getting Fed help. One of the items the UAW might consider is abolishing the Job Bank. If the Feds don't insist on that one, we sent the wrong people to Washington.

[eldar]

The UAW deserves a double nut punch. They want to talk about what they will concede on?! What? They think they will somehow still magically be making cars if the 3 go under? You can bet NONE of the japanese makes will hire them the way they are now.