Topic: Roger Clemens Guilty or not Guilty?

[Swoop]

Just wondering what the consensus is out there. From what I see....forget the hall of fame.....he's doin' time. 

[CrisPDuk]

Go on then Swoop, who is Roger Clemens? and what's he alleged to have done

[racerx95]

Wouldnt a better question be,,,why is congress even involved in this. You would think they have more important things to do, like thinking of more creative ways to tax all of us.

[dusterdude]

if mcnamee and pettite are going to be the star witnesses against clemens,he doesnt have anything to worry about.

[Cvillechopper]

Wouldnt a better question be,,,why is congress even involved in this. You would think they have more important things to do, like thinking of more creative ways to tax all of us.

+1

I was just spouting off to my wife this morning about that (which she always enjoys... not).  It's a game run by a PRIVATE group.  Congress has no business being involved and wasting our taxes. 

[UnCrash]

I was just spouting off to my wife this morning about that (which she always enjoys... not).  It's a game run by a PRIVATE group.  Congress has no business being involved and wasting our taxes.

Congress is involved because they percieve that Baseball is "America's Passtime"

Additionally they granted Baseball an exemption from antitrust (monopolostic) challenges. 

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I'm not agreeing with the senators or congressman who are pursuing Baseball (drugs) and Football (drugs and cheating).  You have to remember that people who run for office have egos the size of black holes and want to stand in front of any issue (that won't hurt them) and suck eyballs their way.



!!!! Oh yea, I forgot to mention that Clemens is guilty, guilty, guilty.  And an egomaniac.

[Aaron J Williams]

Wouldnt a better question be,,,why is congress even involved in this. You would think they have more important things to do, like thinking of more creative ways to tax all of us.

+1

I was just spouting off to my wife this morning about that (which she always enjoys... not).  It's a game run by a PRIVATE group.  Congress has no business being involved and wasting our taxes. 

+2

The government has no business whatsoever in this matter. Congress has the lowest approval rating in history right now and instead of heeding that warning they are playing God in the baseball industry. As River Tam would say "Sad little kings of a sad little hill" Truly pathetic!

[736cc]

   They're both liars (MacNamee and Clemens) and a jury wouldn't convict Clemens due to lack of admission and hard evidance, and MacNamee is an admitted liar. Plus Clemens has million-dollar lawyers.
   "Petit misremembered" was a good one. So was Clemens selling-out his wife getting shots of HGH in her butt in their bedroom while he wasn't home like it was no big deal. His wife got HGH shots from MacNamee but he didn't (gimme a break). And he didn't know anything about HGH until a month ago.
   Then he says his grandma told him B12 was good so he let MacNamee shoot him in the butt w/ it.
   I always hated Clemens. His beening Mike Piazza in the head in 1999 was the most chicken&hit thing I ever saw in sports. Clemens knew he wouldn't get retaliated with because of designated hitter. Piazza was the best hitter in baseball in his prime and clobbered Clemens and all the other Yankee pitchers every time.
   Look at pics of Clemens when he was a Red Sox in 1986 and compare to pics around 2000. Barry Bonds and Clemens got so inflated from steroids they look cartoonish.

[gregwaits]

The question was: Is he guilty or not.

IMO, he is guilty as sin. His ramblings in front of congress were ridiculous. He has no credibility. And, why would Macnamee (sp?) lie about him and not about Pettitte and Knobloch?

That said, I agree that the government has no business in this mess. But it is involved, and if you perjure yourself, you are in big trouble.

[Cvillechopper]

I would bet that a good lawyer could make an arguement to get any perjury charge thrown out by proving that congress had no juridiction over the case in the first place.  Not saying that I agree, but that there's probably someone that could make the arguement stick.

Personally, lying about it is worse than the action to me. 

[Tim.]

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman"

A lie isn't always a lie.  He and his lawyers know the truth, and he wouldn't be asserting so strongly in this hearing, using the specific wording he is using if they thought there was a likleyhood of being caught for perjury.  They have an exit strategy on perjury if hearing goes that way.

[Rocking-M]

I was just spouting off to my wife this morning about that (which she always enjoys... not).  It's a game run by a PRIVATE group.  Congress has no business being involved and wasting our taxes.

Congress is involved because they percieve that Baseball is "America's Passtime"

Additionally they granted Baseball an exemption from antitrust (monopolostic) challenges. 

``````````````````````````````````

I'm not agreeing with the senators or congressman who are pursuing Baseball (drugs) and Football (drugs and cheating).  You have to remember that people who run for office have egos the size of black holes and want to stand in front of any issue (that won't hurt them) and suck eyballs their way.



!!!! Oh yea, I forgot to mention that Clemens is guilty, guilty, guilty.  And an egomaniac.

Can you imagine baseball if it had been invented by Congress?

Yea, he did steroids, who didn't?

I was a power lifter back in the late 70's. Actually lifted  more than the then State records in my weight
class (148s). Benched 330, squatted 600, dead lifted 650+ and all without steroids.
Had the chance to go to the Nationals, but, my totals would have placed me 5th and I'd have
been the only steroid free one in the top 5 (or so I was told).
I almost took them but decide, it wasn't worth it. I personally think and have seen that
most top athletes are 'enhanced'.

[bgfootball67]

I had the opportunity to watch a good portion of the testimony yesterday while at home with my little one.  The whole deal was a joke, why in the H*LL should congress be wasting tax payers dollars on this crap.  Especially with so many other F'd up things going on around our country!  Correct me if I am wrong, but I looked for any representatives from Ohio as I was going to write the SOB if they were there.  Seems like a witch hunt to me..... 

There was a point in which I was dieing laughing, when the one congressmen called MacNamee a drug dealer and the idiot tried to argue with him, saying it was his opinion.  He was a cop for crying out loud, he of all people should know the difference between right and wrong! 

[sandcastcb750]

When Clemens visited "that nice lady" the nanny,hearing that convinced me he was tampering with witnesses.

Oh, by the way, that evil bald headed narc from the IRS is going to serve Clemens's head on a platter.Like he did to Bonds.

[racerx95]

The justice department should be involved in this not the do nothing congress. He should have just sat there and said nothing. They have no authority over him or us. They are law makers,not prosecuters.

[dusterdude]

exactly,who in the hell do those buffoons in congress think they are.they damn sure arent judges.

[troppo]

oh come on, they are politicians, they can be anything they WANT to be.....
they make the laws and they break them just as often
same thing happens here in aus
cheers
troppo