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Offline Gregorymoto

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Re: "Maxi Dwell" breaker points.. and other old stuff
« Reply #50 on: March 21, 2013, 08:11:30 PM »
lol lol. Read the thread. This sets it back a bit.... I would still like to give them a try. I've heard allot of info on them. Would love to check it out.
Yep, i have issues with this sort of stuff.

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Re: "Maxi Dwell" breaker points.. and other old stuff
« Reply #51 on: March 21, 2013, 11:40:24 PM »
You aren't alone in wanting to try this- although I can't see spending 100 bucks plus for what seems to be a stock mounting plate with Chevy points riveted onto it. I am going to build one, I have a couple points plates lying around.
    I think this coupled with hondamans ignition would be perfect.
Not to reignite the debate over points vs electronic ignitions, but EVERYTHING fails. Even GM HEI modules. The only difference is, when my GM HEI fails I can trip down to napa or wherever and get a new one on a Sunday afternoon just about anywhere. With a dyna or whatever I have to call a guy and wait for a new one to be shipped, or reinstall my old points plate I just happen to have in my pocket.
   That's my main criteria. Can I get parts on Sunday afternoon in Moab Utah. This things fills that bill.

What what we need is a PDF template like the brake rotor ones, with where to drill the plate. Two sets of points, a couple of screws, the capacitors of your choice and bang done.

Anybody have one laying around that wants to take some measurements?

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« Reply #52 on: March 22, 2013, 09:16:22 AM »
Check It Out!!!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Honda-Ignition-CB750-CB550-CB500-CB400-CB350-SOHC-Built-In-Dynamic-Timing-Light-/251108926971?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3a774225fb&vxp=mtr
Yeah, I already have: that guy is FULL of BS. ;)

The vendor, X-Pipe, is Monty Campbell. We were in Engineering school at the University of Missouri (him: EE, me: CE) in the mid-70s when he invented/developed the Maxi-Dwell. I bought one of the first ones for my CB550, and I was very happy with the results. I'm going to put a Maxi-Dwell on my CB400F.

That being said, Monty is selling an exhaust pipe that he developed. His claims for it are ambitious.

Bob
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Re: "Maxi Dwell" breaker points.. and other old stuff
« Reply #53 on: March 22, 2013, 02:54:42 PM »
I like the idea,whole lot easier to adjust.isnt worth a 100 bucks tho
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Re: "Maxi Dwell" breaker points.. and other old stuff
« Reply #54 on: March 22, 2013, 09:17:25 PM »
Check It Out!!!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Honda-Ignition-CB750-CB550-CB500-CB400-CB350-SOHC-Built-In-Dynamic-Timing-Light-/251108926971?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3a774225fb&vxp=mtr
Yeah, I already have: that guy is FULL of BS. ;)

The vendor, X-Pipe, is Monty Campbell. We were in Engineering school at the University of Missouri (him: EE, me: CE) in the mid-70s when he invented/developed the Maxi-Dwell. I bought one of the first ones for my CB550, and I was very happy with the results. I'm going to put a Maxi-Dwell on my CB400F.

That being said, Monty is selling an exhaust pipe that he developed. His claims for it are ambitious.

Bob

Tell us about the pipe, Bob? The Maxi-Dwell was a good idea in it's day, as the Chevy (Corvette they were) points lasted longer than even the ND back then. I've solved that whole problem, of course, except now the Maxi-Dwell's timing light will not work with my unit.

That's why I had to create the LED version for mine, which is almost ready for prime time, now. It's YOUR fault, you see... :D
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Re: "Maxi Dwell" breaker points.. and other old stuff
« Reply #55 on: March 23, 2013, 05:19:23 AM »
The X pipe is basically another spin on an H pipe for your exhaust. Nascar has been using it for quite a while now and it's been commercially available to the high performance car crowd for a while too,I think it was called the "Dr. X pipe" back then. From what I understand it does the same thing an H pipe does as far as balancing exhaust pressure in a car that has dual exhaust but apparently it does it in a more efficient way than a conventional H pipe. There was a Pontiac site I used to go to that had a member that was the most skeptical of any new product that came out. He tried the X pipe on his car and it took almost .2 off his 1/4 mile ET's, keep in mind this was a low 12 sec street car with mufflers not some full tilt drag car. The skeptic that he was he spent the entire day swapping out the X pipe for his previous H pipe making run after run make sure the results he was seeing weren't due to weather or track conditions.

The one thing I can verify is that the X pipe does tend to change the pitch and sound of the tone of the exhaust. My brother installed an X pipe on his modified late model Mustang GT and it made the engine sound like it was revving higher than it actually was. I can't verify any improvement on his 1/4 mile ET's due to the X pipe because he made a bunch of other changes to the car at the same time so which mod the improvements came from is up for grabs.
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Re: "Maxi Dwell" breaker points.. and other old stuff
« Reply #56 on: March 23, 2013, 08:21:55 AM »
Scott has a better understanding of the pipe than I do. So maybe Monty is on to something.

Bob

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Re: "Maxi Dwell" breaker points.. and other old stuff
« Reply #57 on: March 23, 2013, 03:24:31 PM »
It's hard to argue with good results, in any case.
The old Dunstall system was laughed at by the old cycle rags until Rider (I think that was the one) tested it on a 750. It had what we called the "manifold" pipe where all 4 pipes enter a cross-pipe at 90 degrees, then exits in 2 side pipes. Truth is, the pulses, once blended together in ANY method, combine to have the same effects. Having the entrance at an angle reduces the bubble shape of a pulse hitting the junction, so "X" or "T" junctions often prove to be more effective. Trouble is: it takes a lot of experimenting, which gets expensive!

One good, simple example points out this principle, though: when I had my Honda-Suzy-BMW-Harley shop in the early 1970s, our Harley riders were largely one big clique of local guys when it came to the Sportsters. They would buy their bike, then look over the other guy's bike(s), then come in and accessorize almost exactly the same way, like "keeping up with the Jonses" or something, it was weird. One guy in the bunch (who was a friend of mine) decided he also wanted the same drag pipes that all the other guys had, which were angle-cut ("Bologna cut", they were called) on their ends. That particular day I was trying to improve on one of those bikes' real bad off-the-line bog symptoms, which these pipes ALWAYS cause, when this guy asked me why the bike was there: I explained the symptom, and the cause, and that it was NOT going to be 'warranty work' because the pipes were not stock. So he asked me what might be better: I told him to buy the pipes with the squared-off "straight" cut instead, so he would not suffer the same issue.

Longer story short: he did. By the end of that summer, all but one of the riders in that bunch (12 total) had come back and bought the straight-cut pipes to 'fix'' their bikes, too!
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Re: "Maxi Dwell" breaker points.. and other old stuff
« Reply #58 on: March 23, 2013, 08:24:44 PM »
I bought this set on E-bay a couple/few years ago from a seller in Canada. Think I got them for $9.95 and knew he had some more. When I asked how much for the rest he had he said he was pissed and wouldn't sell me any,just the one I got on auction. Funny when you read the warranty card which this one has from Oct. 1978 it says that they will cover them for a period of 10 days.That's generous,makes me laugh.

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Re: "Maxi Dwell" breaker points.. and other old stuff
« Reply #59 on: March 24, 2013, 08:40:10 PM »
I bought this set on E-bay a couple/few years ago from a seller in Canada. Think I got them for $9.95 and knew he had some more. When I asked how much for the rest he had he said he was pissed and wouldn't sell me any,just the one I got on auction. Funny when you read the warranty card which this one has from Oct. 1978 it says that they will cover them for a period of 10 days.That's generous,makes me laugh.

10 days!
Well, I do remember the 30/30 warranty from most used-car dealers in those days: 30 feet or 30 seconds after leaving the lot... :D
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