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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 08/09/09- w new pics
« Reply #675 on: August 10, 2009, 09:49:20 AM »
Nice seat Ron, looks like you could sit in that thing all day.  Nice distinctive look too.

The guy with the stainless steel seat hardware is ebay seller "www_classiccyclecity_com"

http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/www_classiccyclecity_com_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_ipgZ

He has different kits depending on what you're doing.  Has the hinge plates only, or with mounting plates for cafe seats.  Some kits also include a mounting plate for the seat latch.

Heres a current listing for one of his hinge kits:

http://i.ebayimg.com/18/!BVuD1+w!mk~$(KGrHgoOKiwEjlLmDn3YBKT88-lojQ~~_12.JPG[/img]]http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-Honda-CB750-Cafe-Racer-SS-Hinges-CB-750-SOHC-K_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3911Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem4147eca59fQQitemZ280379565471QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories



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Thank you very much, I've bot from him before. SS oil lines and a chrome oil tank cap/dipstick.
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 08/09/09- w new pics
« Reply #676 on: August 10, 2009, 12:17:32 PM »
This will be a great build! Congratulations.
@HavocTurbo,...if you need hinges or if there is an interest.
We have manufactured the not longer available steel hinges with welded on distance plate on the back, too.

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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 08/09/09- w new pics
« Reply #677 on: August 10, 2009, 12:23:05 PM »
This will be a great build! Congratulations.
@HavocTurbo,...if you need hinges or if there is an interest.
We have manufactured the not longer available steel hinges with welded on distance plate on the back, too.

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Thanks!

What does the "distance plate" do? (I hope....)

Edit; Looks like it keeps the seat from going too far when its opened. But it alos looks like it would scar the point of contact on the frame? I was thinking of making a lanyard for that purpose. Maybe belt and suspenders. Hmmm...
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 08/09/09- w new pics
« Reply #678 on: August 10, 2009, 12:42:57 PM »
Exactly, the plate was used to stop the seat while opening. Good idea or not, Honda made it this way and many customers want to go with (almost) stock parts. Of, course we have the steel hinges w/o the plate, too.
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 08/09/09- w new pics
« Reply #679 on: August 10, 2009, 12:44:32 PM »
Exactly, the plate was used to stop the seat while opening. Good idear or not, Honda made it this way and many customers want to go with (almost) stock parts. Of, course we have the steel hinges w/o the plate, too.


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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 08/09/09- w new pics
« Reply #680 on: August 16, 2009, 06:54:55 PM »
Another pretty good day. Really hot and I had a little swooning episode, but recovered and put in my time.  So earlier in the week I was rooting around in my parts boxes and came across these TS brackets. I'd been struggling with the TS decision. I just needed to nail down a mounting point, I can pick the lamps later. So I think these will do it. They should take a bright polish. I mocked them up with the ubiquitous SportBike Marker Lights.








I got my eye on some finned bullet turn signals from Kuryakin, but I'll use these to get finished. Any other lamp will now be a quick swap.

Time out, came across my Yosh 2 ring slipper pistons ca 1978. Hope to use these in an upcoming cafe project assuming I ever get this one finished.



They are "S2" making them a true 750cc. The markings on the skirt are "RSC".  Cool. Hope i can get rings.

So I moved on to the head on the bench. I floated this question but never got a response. What does anyone do about the cam mounts? I mean, I have 3 pair and they all have scratches in the bearing surface. I think about you guys with "cam in head" motors, you must have the same scratches, but you can't go replacing the head on a whim. So, in digging around I came up with a 4th pair and they look pretty good, so the question is solved. But still how about checking wear? The manual says clamp it together without a cam, use an internal gauge and measure the bearing in the cam mount, then mik the cam and subtract. Who does this? So I got this great idea to use plastigauge. But the outside limit was 8thou and my plast tops at 3 thou. So off to the store. But the kids at the store didn't know what I was talking about. "Plasti whu? Come back when the manager is here. So I went to 2 different auto stores, same deal. Came back to the first and the manager knew and I got the "blue" plastigage.

All 4 checked out at 4 thou, so I'm happy. Picture is Green gauge, I didn't take any pictures of the Blue)



(not much to see, but we like pictures?)

Final check out for today was the reinforced cam cover. I've owned this thing for many years and finally getting close to using it. But I've taken it on face it was made accurately and thought i ought to check. The bolts that drive down from the top are to land on the 4 corners of each cam mount, pushing it into the head for stability. High RPMs and big bump cams w/springs make these things flex to the point where they can lose oil pressure, leak underneath, etc.  There are 4 casting marks on each mount that conveniently serve as the landing spot for the tip of the bolt. (I am running a mild cam, and stock RPMs, so this is for show, as much of this exercize is. But I could put a big bump in if I wanted, I have the springs, Ti tops, and this cam cover)




I assembled the cam mounts and the cam cover, torqued it all down appropriately, then ran the hold down bolts into the cam mounts till I could feel them cut into the aluminum. At first i though I'd put some lipstick on them to leave a mark, then i figured it wouldn''t take much to leave a scratch and sure enough that was true.



You should be able to see the scratches to either side of the valves. The intake side landed slightly off their marks, but not enough to matter. The exhaust side landed perfectly on their marks.

From the inside, the bolts extend down from the bottom of their bosses about an 1/8 to 3/16", not much at all.



During the week, I hope to get to the magnafluxer and then to the cryo lab with engine and front end parts.
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 08/16/09- w new pics
« Reply #681 on: August 16, 2009, 09:30:41 PM »
.004" on those cam bearings i salmost brand new cam+bearing: they were .0032" to start. Mine were .012" last time I checked the center two: makes for vibration above 7K RPM.  :o

Ron, while you're in these rockers: did you see my post about aligning the oil grooves on the rocker shafts with the oil holes in the rockers? (Or, use K1 rockers & shafts...).  ;)
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 08/16/09- w new pics
« Reply #682 on: August 16, 2009, 09:57:11 PM »
.004" on those cam bearings i salmost brand new cam+bearing: they were .0032" to start. Mine were .012" last time I checked the center two: makes for vibration above 7K RPM.  :o

Ron, while you're in these rockers: did you see my post about aligning the oil grooves on the rocker shafts with the oil holes in the rockers? (Or, use K1 rockers & shafts...).  ;)

That's good to know. THe manual tells what the max allowed is, but doesn't tell what an original one or even a good one is. They do this on virtually every measurement, primary chains, fork springs, cam journals, etc.

Yes I have seen your comments on this and I was expecting to do a search and read up on it when the time comes.

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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 08/16/09- w new pics
« Reply #683 on: August 17, 2009, 04:27:55 PM »
been off line for about a week (#$%* computers) but i'm glad you're chugging away still.

love the seat/rack set up.  8)
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« Reply #684 on: August 17, 2009, 04:42:49 PM »
been off line for about a week (#$%* computers) but i'm glad you're chugging away still.

love the seat/rack set up.  8)

I just noticed the integrated grab rail on the left side, myself.  Nice.

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« Reply #685 on: August 17, 2009, 05:55:26 PM »
Thanks guys. Yeah the rack is cute. The back story is its from Ventura in New Zealand. They are huge into rack/luggage systems, http://www.ventura-bike.com/default.aspx

They said the CB750 was one of the first they ever made. So I wanted it even though its kinda small. The system is that the platform pulls out at the thumbscrews, allowing you to drop another platform in which may have been bigger and certainly was taller. The tallness was to support one of their Ventura travel bags. The CB750 alternate racks and bags are no longer available, I think I got the last of what was left.

I have the racks and luggage for my HawkGT. The bag will fit over the backrest of the CB750 Corbin Seat, So I could still use it if I ever do an overnighter.  Hope to.
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 08/16/09- w new pics
« Reply #686 on: August 17, 2009, 06:56:56 PM »



Is it just me or does something look out of kilter in the back end.  Is the rear wheel not aligned or something?

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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 08/16/09- w new pics
« Reply #687 on: August 17, 2009, 07:10:43 PM »
Picky picky...

Its an old bike and nothings square anymore, like an old house.   ;D

Actually, none of the bolts are tight. I'm trying not to tighten anything till the final to cut down on scratching.  And it does take a little English to get the 4 fender mounting bolts started, even though its a brand new out of the bag fender. Hopefully that will work out, I mean I can hold it straight, so it should stay when tightened.

I was working on the turnsignals when this picture was taken. They bolt to the fender mounts. Since I need to remove the brackets for polishing I didn't tighten them, just enough to hold them in place to get a look.

I think on final assy everything will be straight. At least I hope so.  :)
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 08/16/09- w new pics
« Reply #688 on: August 17, 2009, 07:23:24 PM »
here's how the Ventura racks come apart. The sidearms stay with the bike, the platform pops off.



But since its discontinued I have no alternative rack to pop back in the small rack's place.

Nevertheless, I have the bag and it straps nicely to the backrest.



Doing a little daydreaming. With this and a mid size tank bag I'll have room for a 2 up overnighter.



While dreaming I whipped up a lanyard to keep the seat from opening so wide. I always thought it was lame to use the dipstick cap as a seat stop.

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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 08/16/09- w new pics
« Reply #689 on: August 18, 2009, 07:51:27 PM »
nice set up mc' and it's all shaping up well too. an idea for the rear sans rack: some flat stock about the width of the distance of the rack uprights, round the corners, weld tubing or round bar stock cut to about an inch or so (length of 'male' part of upper rack) to each end of the upright tubes.

seems like a pain chroming just a single piece but it would finish off the rear and keep stuff outta those holes.

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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 08/16/09- w new pics
« Reply #690 on: August 18, 2009, 08:03:06 PM »
Actually, none of the bolts are tight. I'm trying not to tighten anything till the final to cut down on scratching. 



Totally understandable and I was sure you had it covered, but my anal retentive nature compelled me to comment :D

BTW I use cheap plastic or nylon washers in place of the steel ones for mock up, to cut down on the scratching.  Just a thought.



I think on final assy everything will be straight. At least I hope so.  :)

That's impressive!  My much more modest goal is for everything to be less crooked than the guy next to me :)

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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 08/16/09- w new pics
« Reply #691 on: August 18, 2009, 08:04:20 PM »
Wow that is looking great. Looking forward to seeing it all finished and on the road.
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 08/16/09- w new pics
« Reply #692 on: August 19, 2009, 07:28:13 AM »
nice set up mc' and it's all shaping up well too. an idea for the rear sans rack: some flat stock about the width of the distance of the rack uprights, round the corners, weld tubing or round bar stock cut to about an inch or so (length of 'male' part of upper rack) to each end of the upright tubes.

seems like a pain chroming just a single piece but it would finish off the rear and keep stuff outta those holes.

to complicated?
I may have misled. I just took the platform off to show how it comes off. It stays on when the bag is in place so the holes in the sidearms are filled.

I am thinking of having the missing piece made which is the alternate rack/platform. It would drop in the same sidearms but have a broader platform and a higher (like 14") vertical loop. A sleeve in the bag drops over the higher vertical loop.

But that's for later, won't stop my progress now.

Thanks for the thoughts.
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« Reply #693 on: August 19, 2009, 07:34:07 AM »
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That's impressive!  My much more modest goal is for everything to be less crooked than the guy next to me :)

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The plastic/nylon washer idea is good, I have a selection.

When i first saw that, before i took the picture, I did a double take too. I was concerned the wheel was off. Measured that quickly and all's well.

I'll be happy if I'm less crooked than the guy next to me.
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« Reply #694 on: August 19, 2009, 07:34:52 AM »
Wow that is looking great. Looking forward to seeing it all finished and on the road.

Thanks, me too!
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 08/16/09- w new pics
« Reply #695 on: August 23, 2009, 12:24:06 AM »
Ron..

Just to let you know I haven't dropped off the planet..your build is looking beautiful!   

I'm getting another seat fabbed for my 550 based on your Corbin Gunfighter.  Probably be another few weeks before it's done.  The upholsterer was really helped by having the pics you sent me..to go by..thanks.  Only difference will be "sans" the piping/welts @ seams.  He said that it's hard to keep them intact..with legs sliding on and off all the time.  Does that sound reasonable to you?  Anyway..I told him okay to do that. 

He makes saddles/seats for all kinds of bikes..but mainly choppers (V-twins / Harley's, S & S, Indian's).  It's going to cost me between 3 and 4 bills to get the seat done (which is a lot for me..this old bike I feel)..includes bead-blasting seat pan, hardware, powder coating, back rest pad for sissy bar, etc.  Was going to get seat-gel installed over foam (under upholstery)..but he wanted another $200.00 for that..not!  Anyway..I was tired of procrastinating..decided to just give the stuff to him..get it done.

I've also been dealing with chrome shop out here in Denver..to get the luggage rack/sissy bar done..also check out their work.  They only charged $125.00 (compared to a quote of $350 from Brown's)..but it took them a couple of redo's to get it right..and three months!  Final product finally came out good (needed to polish out rough spots..smooth over sharp edges/fix flaking chrome).  I hesitate to give full recommendation to them..for the time/extra work involved. But..for the price and fact that they were very friendly and easy to work with..I'll mention them anyway for possible local use: Denver Bumper Works, Inc., 830 Wyandot St., Denver 80204. (303) 623-3610.  Was able to check out their chrome facilities..all top notch equipment (they do powder coating also).  Think it's mainly a matter of their slowing down with their turn-around times a little..paying closer attention to detail.

I'm still trying to get the knack of posting pics on this website.  Also had my camera "relieved from me" from a flight back from Japan recently.  But will try to post pics of my duplicate seat, et al..after they're done.

Really enjoy watching your Phaedrus II build!

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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 08/16/09- w new pics
« Reply #696 on: August 23, 2009, 06:17:41 AM »
Hi Al!
Certainly the piping would have to be a weak link. Easist thing to wear out from constant use, hardest thing to incorporate when sewing. Corbin makeys color piping as part of their product, colors to match the bikes colors. THey still make them for Fs, but not Ks or 550s. Pricing is about $325 for the seat and $250 for the backrest. Mine is vinyl, but was made many years ago,  but I see Corbin is now Leather only.
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Yeah on the chrome, I've had a lot done locally and often had to have it redone 2 or 3 times. Brown's pricing is to "get it right the first time" though I'm sure they have their share of rejects.

Sorry about your camera. Show us a picture of your seat when its done.
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 08/16/09- w new pics
« Reply #697 on: August 23, 2009, 06:23:01 AM »
Since we're on the topic of seats, there's a guy here in Illinois who goes by the moniker Alligator Bob, he specializes in custom seats using exotic leathers.  He redid a seat for my dad years ago for a Kawasaki Nomad, added gel inserts to the foam, re-contoured  the seat and covered it in black and burgundy leather that matched the bike's paint scheme.  I can honestly say it's the most comfortable bike saddle I've sat in, and it looked great, but it sure cost him a pretty penny.  Anyway, just a testimonial in case anyone out there is looking to get a higher end seat done.

http://www.alligatorbob.com/

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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 08/16/09- w new pics
« Reply #698 on: August 23, 2009, 07:22:36 AM »
Since we're on the topic of seats, there's a guy here in Illinois who goes by the moniker Alligator Bob, he specializes in custom seats using exotic leathers.  He redid a seat for my dad years ago for a Kawasaki Nomad, added gel inserts to the foam, re-contoured  the seat and covered it in black and burgundy leather that matched the bike's paint scheme.  I can honestly say it's the most comfortable bike saddle I've sat in, and it looked great, but it sure cost him a pretty penny.  Anyway, just a testimonial in case anyone out there is looking to get a higher end seat done.

http://www.alligatorbob.com/

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Looks like a great resource.

There is some amazing work being done out there, not just seats, but on everything. Really awesome, Humbling, Makes me realize I am just an "assembler" of other peoples parts.
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 08/16/09- w new pics
« Reply #699 on: August 23, 2009, 09:38:32 AM »
Al,

Looking forward to your seat pictures and info.

I spoke to Denver Bumper and Brown's about chroming this year. I asked Denver Bumper if they do 3 step chroming and they said no they don't. They told me they don't have many problems the way they do it. Their process is cheap and not meant to/will not last like a quality job. It IS chrome but it is not show quality chrome. In 3 step chrome the first copper step would be to fill any irregularities and be part of the adhesive process. The second nickle step would further step one and give the chrome a better substrate to adhere to vs the copper vs the bare metal. ie no peeling. The chrome is the icing on the cake. When I spoke with Ronnie Brown via email I told him the valve cover I still have on my bike that they did for me ~1977 still looks great. I used to live about 1 mile from their shop. He tells me that it's even better now as they use a 7 step process. That was good enough for me and I didn't go into details. Sure it costs more but it all depends on what we all want. I hope to see your chrome soon too.   

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Hondaman told me he was afraid to rebuild the swingarm due to the "best chrome he had ever seen". He told me to get in touch with you to find out where you had it done. I knew from the description!  ;) I'd sure love to get Corbin to make a spare Gunfighter seat for my 75 F!
As of today 3/13/2012 my original owner 75 CB750F has made it through 3 wives, er EX-wives. Free at last.  ;-)