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Brake Piston Corrosion
« on: September 04, 2005, 07:57:03 PM »
Hi, I have a 75 CB550 which has not gone for some years and have just removed my front brake piston which has a little pitting on it. How much is OK ?? I guess I could rub it gently to smooth the surface, will this be Ok ??
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Re: Brake Piston Corrosion
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2005, 08:51:55 PM »
I have a 550, but the caliper is about the same.  My Piston froze up onme last year.  I completely disassembled the front brake system and cleaned everything.  I doubt that the fluid had ever been changed!  My piston was pitted due to light rusting.  I used 0000 steel wool and polished it as good as possible.  I installed a new seal and hoped for the best.  The seal is about 1/8 inch wide and the pits are very small so there is no leakage.
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Re: Brake Piston Corrosion
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2005, 09:26:42 PM »
I recently re-did my front caliper , and my pistion was not in the best shape. I did the same as JBAILEY did with the fine steelwool , and re-installed it. Haven't had an issues as of yet , but I will be replacing it just for peace of mind soon....
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Re: Brake Piston Corrosion
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2005, 02:25:29 AM »
mine had a ring of pitting all around it,no amount of rubbing was going to get it smooth but i smoothed the edges.put the new seal in and everythings been fine over 6 months now.I will get a new one !one day

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Re: Brake Piston Corrosion
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2005, 06:55:28 AM »
My experience is the same as those who have posted earlier; pitting that was addressed by fine steel wool or some other fine abrasive.  I repalced the seals and fluid and It works fine.

someone on ebay has a replacement piston made from something other than chromed metal that they say will work and is brand new...

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Re: Brake Piston Corrosion
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2005, 07:55:36 AM »
Dave silver sells pistons for £20 and seals for £2 Q Whats your neck worth?
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Re: Brake Piston Corrosion
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2005, 08:41:56 AM »
Well I dont think slight pitting is a big deal. If it is just one TINY pit here and there, you will probably be ok. If you have no leakage either. after all, that is part of what these seals are for. Now if you have larger areas that are pitted and corroded, then a new piston would be in order.

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Re: Brake Piston Corrosion
« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2005, 10:24:00 AM »
The first time I rebuilt my front caliper on my 74 CB550.  I was horrified at the pitting found on the piston.  I brought it to the Honda place to buy a new one.  They weren't in stock and expensive.  The mechanic there looked at it and said; " it looks like new, use it!"  I did and it worked (works) fine.

I believe there are three issues to look out for with regard to the piston pitting.
1- No pit or combination of adjacent pits can be wider than the seal width.
2- Be aware that the seal will push into or form into the pits and this will add resistance to the movement of the piston.  This is not really much of an issue with brake application, but rather with the piston receeding back into the caliper upon brake release. Brake drag and perhaps squealing can result.
3- Since the pits are the result of a plating failure, the hard chome anti-corrosive protection is compromised.  And the underlying steel is now exposed.  Continued, and perhaps more aggressive, corrosion will occur in the future unless steps are taken to abate it.  Brake fluid alone, being hygroscopic, will not offer much, if any, protection.  However, Brake Parts Assembly Lube, does offer protection and helps keep water and oxygen away from the steel exposed by the pits.  It also offers added lubrication between the seal/piston interface so the piston can more easily slide back into the caliper bore when the brake is realeased.

So, you'll have to make a judgement call as to the extent of the pitting (or post a detailed pic of it here to get our advice).  They certainly don't have to be perfect.  But, there is a limit to the amount of pitting that can be tolerated.  However, if you try it and it doesn't leak and it doesn't drag.  Who's to complain about that?  Not many motorcycle shows require all the internal parts to be in "as new" condition.
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Re: Brake Piston Corrosion
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2005, 10:32:44 PM »
if you needing brake parts.im parting out a 1974 honda 550 chopper.

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Re: Brake Piston Corrosion
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2005, 07:14:42 AM »
if you have pitting issues and want to stop them from getting worse use dot 5 brake fluid.
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Re: Brake Piston Corrosion
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2005, 08:48:04 AM »
Well dot5 is suuposed to be synthetic which some here say is bad. I used synthtic though and it wrks just fine, every bit as good as dot3. Had it in all summer and no leaks or detioration of rubber and stpping is just fine. just make sure you get the old fluid out.

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Re: Brake Piston Corrosion
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2005, 09:01:34 AM »
eldar,you are right just flush the system REAL good.
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Re: Brake Piston Corrosion
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2005, 09:09:13 AM »
Regarding Piston seal.  How do you remove the old seal?   

Also, the dealer usually wants around 80 bucks,  David siliver has it for around 20pounds which is around 30 bucks I think.  Even with shipping the new seal and piston cost me around 40 bucks.  Not bad.
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Re: Brake Piston Corrosion
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2005, 02:38:52 AM »
Sorry i still say you only got one neck so brakes need to be good. if the caliper piston is corroded replace it WITH a new seal and ideally rebuild the master. You can keep an eye on the hoses from the outside but unless you are a superhero, in which case who needs brakes, you cant see what is going on inside the system. Also this is one reason the manufacturers say to replace the fluid every two years
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Re: Brake Piston Corrosion
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2005, 08:23:20 AM »
No DOT 5 for SOHC brakes!

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Re: Brake Piston Corrosion
« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2005, 10:00:53 AM »
Robert is RIGHT!!! NO DOT 5 for these bikes!!!! DOT 3 or 4, but do not mix them...

as far as pistons go. get rid of your pitted piston! it's your brakes, dont fack around with em. I bought some stainlesss steel pistons here. http://www.charlies-place.com/parts.html  get new seals as well.
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Re: Brake Piston Corrosion
« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2005, 10:51:15 AM »
Why.....is Dot 5 bad for SOHC.   Being a technical guy I need a
technical reason.  The fact that someone said it was bad is not
good enough.  I see lots of advantages and no disadvantages.

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Re: Brake Piston Corrosion
« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2005, 11:13:54 AM »
I've tried DOT5 on a few bikes, it worked fine on one for sure but I lost track of all the others except mine. The brake locked up very solid and I was lucky to be close to home.
My theory is that some caliper piston seals are incompatible with the fluid. There's no way I can think of to tell if the one you get from Honda or aftermarket will be OK, but it's a fairly major hassle to deal with if it is not compatible.
There's no compelling reason to use DOT5. The other stuff works great, sure you have to bleed it every year or two to eliminate water absobed and you have to keep it off painted stuff but that's no big deal IMO. Also, if you ever want to go out for a track day and see what you and your bike can do, DOT5 fluid is banned from every race track I've checked the rules on.