Author Topic: Is this a stock rectifier? 76 CB550F  (Read 2206 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline mikethejeepguy

  • Enthusiast
  • **
  • Posts: 197
Is this a stock rectifier? 76 CB550F
« on: September 26, 2008, 09:23:54 PM »
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I am in the process of cleaning all the terminals on my 1976 CB550F. This is my first CB, so I am not totally sure what things look like... yet. Anyhow, I know the previous owner had a new wiring harness installed, and said that some other thing too. I figured it was either the rectifier or the regulator. The regulator looks stock from the pictures I have seen on this forum. But I cannot find any pictures of what the stock rectifier looks like... This is what I have on my bike...





The unit looks sealed on the side where the wires attach. The unit has S4T-05 written on it. The wiring harness wires are riveted to the rectifier terminals. There is a little bit of white/teal oxidization on them.

Anyhow, I was wondering if this thing is stock, or whether it is a newer electronic rectifier?

Thanks... Mike
« Last Edit: September 26, 2008, 09:29:36 PM by mikethejeepguy »
'76 Honda CB550F, Dana-S'd, Uni filtered, HID'd, LED'd, and mildly cafe'd with many plans still.

troppo

  • Guest
Re: Is this a stock rectifier? 76 CB550F
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2008, 09:26:57 PM »
I`ve got a 750 of the same year and the rectifier looks nothing like that, my guess is thats a later solid state replacement, kinda like what i`m doing now

apoji187

  • Guest
Re: Is this a stock rectifier? 76 CB550F
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2008, 09:36:48 PM »
I just took one off my 78 550k and its a spitting image of that.
#s match and everything.

troppo

  • Guest
Re: Is this a stock rectifier? 76 CB550F
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2008, 09:38:11 PM »
OOPS sorry :-[

Offline mikethejeepguy

  • Enthusiast
  • **
  • Posts: 197
Re: Is this a stock rectifier? 76 CB550F
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2008, 09:45:52 PM »
HA HA Maybe the previous owner changed yours too apoji187! Am kinda hoping it is an electronic unit... Thanks anyways Troppo  ;D

So is it? Anyone? anyone...... anyone. Bueler? Bueler?
« Last Edit: September 26, 2008, 11:47:11 PM by mikethejeepguy »
'76 Honda CB550F, Dana-S'd, Uni filtered, HID'd, LED'd, and mildly cafe'd with many plans still.

Offline bryanj

  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 14,135
  • CB500 Number 1000036
Re: Is this a stock rectifier? 76 CB550F
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2008, 02:04:04 AM »
Its a later type direct replacement
Semi Geriatric ex-Honda mechanic and MOT tester (UK version of annual inspection). Garage full of "projects" mostly 500/4 from pre 73 (no road tax in UK).

Remember "Its always in the last place you look" COURSE IT IS YOU STOP LOOKIN THEN!

Offline mikethejeepguy

  • Enthusiast
  • **
  • Posts: 197
Re: Is this a stock rectifier? 76 CB550F
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2008, 08:21:21 AM »
awesome... thanks...

I assume that it is electronic then? since it's sealed...
'76 Honda CB550F, Dana-S'd, Uni filtered, HID'd, LED'd, and mildly cafe'd with many plans still.

Offline HondaMan

  • Someone took this pic of me before I became a
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 14,040
  • ...not my choice, I was nicknamed...
    • Getting 'em Back on the Road
Re: Is this a stock rectifier? 76 CB550F
« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2008, 08:53:07 AM »
The later style units take advantage of the improved silicon technology. The diodes are typically 50 amp, 100v PIV rating, which is strong enough to take high-current battery chargers and jumps from cars. These 2 events often cooked the original ones, which were rated 15 amps, 15 PIV in the first 750K0 (straight off the CB450). By the 750K2/CB500, the rating had risen a little to 20-25 PIV, still 15 amps. It seemed to take Honda a long time to make better rectifiers, probably because the bikes were very price-sensitive at the time.

In my upcoming AI1 plate ("All In One"), I'll be using the newer 50 amp, 100 PIV units, along with a solid-state (or fail-safe) regulator, to make them perform better and be more bulletproof. This gadget will be a good improvement for those resurrected bikes (or worn out ones) where the electrics are just tired and Honda is dropping off their support. It will also fit any Honda, and most other Brand X bikes, from the same era. Should be a good addition to the other gizmos you've all prodded me to create (see, it's all your fault...  ::) ).

..and, it will integrate the Transistorized Ignition as an option.  ;)
See SOHC4shop@gmail.com for info about the gadgets I make for these bikes.

The demons are repulsed when a man does good. Use that.
Blood is thicker than water, but motor oil is thicker yet...so, don't mess with my SOHC4, or I might have to hurt you.
Hondaman's creed: "Bikers are family. Treat them accordingly."

Link to Hondaman Ignition: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=67543.0

Link to My CB750 Book: https://www.lulu.com/search?adult_audience_rating=00&page=1&pageSize=10&q=my+cb750+book

Link to website: www.SOHC4shop.com

Offline Soos

  • Just a butcher with a carbide hatchet, definitely not a
  • Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 2,324
Re: Is this a stock rectifier? 76 CB550F
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2008, 09:08:29 AM »
YOU ROCK hondaman!!

It took what 30+ years and endless annoyances of failed equiptment and one REALLY electrically intuitive person like you to come up with an answer to the weak links these bikes had.

I would suggest selling these through mabey a honda dealership or some place like Z1...
But unfortunately the amount you would have to produce would force you to do that as a full time job(for a while) to get a sufficient quantity.
The other option is to have them made by chinese slave labor, which i dis-agree with.


I may not be able to use one on my 650, but i'm sure i will be getting another honda 4 cyl at some point and will want one!

l8r
-=≡ Soos ≡=-
Just think to yourself what would Alowishus Devander Abercrombie do?
"Brix will be shat by your neighbors." - schwebel
(61mm)652cc 1979 cb650

Offline mikethejeepguy

  • Enthusiast
  • **
  • Posts: 197
Re: Is this a stock rectifier? 76 CB550F
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2008, 10:25:00 AM »
Thanks for the detailed info HondaMan. Can't wait to see what you cook up for that part. I have a feeling whether you publicly market them or not, you will STILL be a be busy man. I am definitely interested.

But in the mean time  :)

I need to change my stock mechanical regulator... it seems to send 16V to my battery at 6000rpm and I have no interest in having my butt acid washed. I've read Pinhead's thread on using the mid 70's Ford reg, but the one that was locally available was HUGE compared to the Honda stock one (more than twice as big). I've heard of people using 70's Porsche regulators, but my local parts place ... Canadian Tire. Won't touch Porsche parts. Troppo suggested a Bosch RE57, but I think that it is an Australian model. I would like to get something smaller than the Ford replacement. I have also seen the part numbers:

 BWD R588
 Bosch:  30048
 Niehoff:  WA709
 Standard:  VR124

The parts counter here cannot look up their inventory by regulator manuf. and model, but they need me to give them a car year, make, and model. Does anyone know what I should get them to search to get these regs?
« Last Edit: September 27, 2008, 10:55:49 AM by mikethejeepguy »
'76 Honda CB550F, Dana-S'd, Uni filtered, HID'd, LED'd, and mildly cafe'd with many plans still.

Offline GammaFlat

  • Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 1,565
  • humanitas, qualitas, quantitas and velocitas
Re: Is this a stock rectifier? 76 CB550F
« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2008, 03:00:25 PM »
HondaMan,

I am definitely very interested in the "AI1".  After installing and using one of your ignition systems (with another in hand to be installed on another bike soon), I am cranked about enhancing other electrical components of these ole girls.  The charging system is one of those things on the list of "Things that could be improved".  I'm also anticipating your fuel injection project.  How do you fit it all in? 

John
K6
K7 
Suzuki GN400 - Ignition fixed!
03 KLR650 - Doesn't do anything very well but.. well.. does everything.

Offline HondaMan

  • Someone took this pic of me before I became a
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 14,040
  • ...not my choice, I was nicknamed...
    • Getting 'em Back on the Road
Re: Is this a stock rectifier? 76 CB550F
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2008, 08:40:31 AM »
Thanks for the detailed info HondaMan. Can't wait to see what you cook up for that part. I have a feeling whether you publicly market them or not, you will STILL be a be busy man. I am definitely interested.

But in the mean time  :)

I need to change my stock mechanical regulator... it seems to send 16V to my battery at 6000rpm and I have no interest in having my butt acid washed. I've read Pinhead's thread on using the mid 70's Ford reg, but the one that was locally available was HUGE compared to the Honda stock one (more than twice as big). I've heard of people using 70's Porsche regulators, but my local parts place ... Canadian Tire. Won't touch Porsche parts. Troppo suggested a Bosch RE57, but I think that it is an Australian model. I would like to get something smaller than the Ford replacement. I have also seen the part numbers:

 BWD R588
 Bosch:  30048
 Niehoff:  WA709
 Standard:  VR124

The parts counter here cannot look up their inventory by regulator manuf. and model, but they need me to give them a car year, make, and model. Does anyone know what I should get them to search to get these regs?

It sounds like the points in your regulator might have pitted and stuck (in the "relaxed" position), or the coil burned open. The former is easy to fix, the latter may require replacement. I think I have several units, now, maybe more than bikes I'm building (thanks to Gammaflat!). I'll take a look. What we could try (until I actually build some AI1 units) is this: I could send you one of my refurbished ones, and you could send me your old one, for some fee ($25 with postage, maybe?). I'll try to fix up the old one for another go-around with someone else. If the coil is good, it's a good 'core', if not, I might have to charge another $10 or so that would cover me getting another core from the boneyard to fix up my 'inventory' again.

...sort of a 'rebuilt parts' thing, like car parts sometimes have...
See SOHC4shop@gmail.com for info about the gadgets I make for these bikes.

The demons are repulsed when a man does good. Use that.
Blood is thicker than water, but motor oil is thicker yet...so, don't mess with my SOHC4, or I might have to hurt you.
Hondaman's creed: "Bikers are family. Treat them accordingly."

Link to Hondaman Ignition: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=67543.0

Link to My CB750 Book: https://www.lulu.com/search?adult_audience_rating=00&page=1&pageSize=10&q=my+cb750+book

Link to website: www.SOHC4shop.com