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« on: October 07, 2008, 08:13:00 PM »
Hi folks,

I've been window shopping and overall gawking at new bikes. I've never owned a new vehicle of any type.. Unless you count a mountain bike. I'm looking for suggestions if I were to go through with it.

I know they're produced in India these days, but I've been looking at Royal Enfields. Also Urals, Triumphs. Outside of street bikes I've been considering enduros: 2009 Kawasaki Super Sherpa, Yamaha XT250, Suzuki DRZ400

Really I'm just fantasizing, but I'm curious what new bikes others would recommend.
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« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2008, 03:25:33 AM »
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« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2008, 12:08:28 PM »
If I was buying a new bike these days, it would be a Ducati, Triumph, or other Euro make.  They're just making the bikes I like these days.  Even then, I would look at "slightly" used because I kinda want a Ducati Monster, but the new ones are BLECH!!  The older ones with "normal" headlights and styling?  Teh awesomez.

Now if Honda brought the CB1300 to the States, that would be a contender.

Don't want a plastic-encased Race Replica, (unless it's a Stroker  ;) ), and I don't like cruisers, which seem to be the only two options for a "new" bike in America, aside from "Sport Tourers" and I don't really like them either.

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« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2008, 12:35:30 PM »
+1 Groovie...

Cruisers looks horrid in my opinion.

I'm not a fan of the plastic coffin bikes either. The naked sport's look the best to me.

Only problem is comfort.

Suzuki is coming out with a very affordable naked sport bike. There is a thread about it on here some where. I looked at them and the msrp is like $6,200. Not bad at all. It's like a 650? I think.

I love Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, Kawaski, but their bikes are just too crazy looking.

I am torn between a Ducati Monster, Triumph Street Triple, or the Triumph Bonneville. I know they are completely different, the Monster and Street Triple vs the Bonneville. I just like the Bonneville for that retro look.

Realistically it comes down to your preferance man, just shop around and test drive. Make sure it's something you'd want to own. I am in the same boat. This weekend is test drive weekend for me.
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« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2008, 12:40:33 PM »
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« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2008, 12:42:18 PM »
Really liking the Royal Enfields, I don't know if I should be concerned about them being produced in India these days or not... I like the classic look, and I really like this little guy:



Priced at $5545 I don't think I could go wrong unless the quality is suffering.
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« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2008, 01:01:56 PM »
Really liking the Royal Enfields, I don't know if I should be concerned about them being produced in India these days or not... I like the classic look, and I really like this little guy:



Priced at $5545 I don't think I could go wrong unless the quality is suffering.

Well, be forewarned, while I have no issues with front drums, the braking will be horrid and they really lack "get up and go".  A bit anemic, IMHO.  Handling, I dunno, but probably on-par with other 1930s/40s (I think?) designs.

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« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2008, 01:06:18 PM »
I'm not a fan of the plastic coffin bikes either. The naked sport's look the best to me.

Normally I agree, but I just bought a NS400R and I can't wait to get home to ride it.

Yeah, it's a plastic-fantastic, but it's just weird enough to qualify as unique and awesome: a three-cylinder TWO-STROKE by HONDA, (a four-stroke-at-all-costs company), a road version of their 1980s Grand Prix bikes, and was never legally imported into the US.  And I found one on a legal street title, right here in the States. 

I had to have it.

This isn't mine, but it looks identical:


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« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2008, 02:11:21 PM »
I'm not a fan of the plastic coffin bikes either. The naked sport's look the best to me.

Normally I agree, but I just bought a NS400R and I can't wait to get home to ride it.

Yeah, it's a plastic-fantastic, but it's just weird enough to qualify as unique and awesome: a three-cylinder TWO-STROKE by HONDA, (a four-stroke-at-all-costs company), a road version of their 1980s Grand Prix bikes, and was never legally imported into the US.  And I found one on a legal street title, right here in the States. 

I had to have it.

This isn't mine, but it looks identical:



Big fan of that one, it's a really good find on your part! I'm jealous  :(
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« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2008, 03:09:46 PM »
A find? Check this out.

http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/cto/868673599.html

This thing has like a two cylinder, two stroke, 650cc engine in it lol.

The Enfields are pretty cool man, they downtune them on purpose, you put another $800 in aftermarket parts into that Royal and you got a pretty decent bike.
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« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2008, 03:54:47 PM »


The Enfields are pretty cool man, they downtune them on purpose, you put another $800 in aftermarket parts into that Royal and you got a pretty decent bike.

That's what I was thinking... 500cc, specs say a top speed of 75mph?! Gotta be kidding, my 550 goes a heck of a lot faster than 75  :D
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« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2008, 10:32:47 AM »


The Enfields are pretty cool man, they downtune them on purpose, you put another $800 in aftermarket parts into that Royal and you got a pretty decent bike.

That's what I was thinking... 500cc, specs say a top speed of 75mph?! Gotta be kidding, my 550 goes a heck of a lot faster than 75  :D

Just remember though the parts on that thing are low grade parts dude. Low grade parts + assembly line production bike = not a long laster. You look at Triumph for example, they hand build every bike, yes it is more or less an assembly line, but it's all done by hand to spec, not by a machine.

Bike, car, or home. They are all investments. If you are looking at spending 5k, plus like I said the $800 to make it a motorcycle and not a scooter, your almost at 6k. It might be worth your while to cough up the extra grand or so for a decent bike. A good jap or euro bike is really the way to go man. It's gonna be better quality all the way around and most likely last you an extra decade over the Royal...

     Just my two cents....coming from a guy who has owned eight cars since I was 16. One at a time though... in other words I have learned my lesson about buying cheap crap... Again it's your money and if the Royal is the route you want to go don't let anyone stop you by all means. Live the dream!
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« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2008, 01:17:54 PM »
Triumph is the other route I want to go. I like the Enfield for the classic look, but with the current models Triumph is producing I can get the same look $3k more and like you said - better quality.

Don't like cruisers, sport bikes are ok if they're naked. Etc.
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« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2008, 01:26:39 PM »
It's your choice, but if you are already looking at Triumph, I would just go that route...
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« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2008, 03:10:49 PM »
Or:

http://up.craigslist.org/mcy/867869137.html

Stick with the Honda theme?

Edit: Curious what people's opinions are on the CX500. I don't know if it matters now, if you saw the thread over in the SOHC4 board about the 550 in Warren I'm likely going to pick it up.
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« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2008, 11:10:12 AM »
I guess I'm biased because I ride Ducatis on the road and Hondas on track. What about a Ducati Hypermotard - all the fun of well everything!

Enfields are actually well made but not very exceiting - they're technology as old as tractors and harleys  ;D

What about a Honda CB600 Hornet? Comfy, light, great handling and stick a race pipe on and they are about the most fun you can have with your pants on!  :D
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« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2008, 12:25:43 PM »
BUY A MONSTER!

I may be biased (see sig), but I am IN LOVE with it. It's unique, drop dead gorgeous, and super fun. I promise, you will not regret it.

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« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2008, 07:21:53 PM »
I'm not a fan of the plastic coffin bikes either. The naked sport's look the best to me.

Normally I agree, but I just bought a NS400R and I can't wait to get home to ride it.

Yeah, it's a plastic-fantastic, but it's just weird enough to qualify as unique and awesome: a three-cylinder TWO-STROKE by HONDA, (a four-stroke-at-all-costs company), a road version of their 1980s Grand Prix bikes, and was never legally imported into the US.  And I found one on a legal street title, right here in the States. 

I had to have it.

This isn't mine, but it looks identical:




I am just wondering when they made these and why do you like them so much?

What made this legal; normally there's a pretty strict limit on two-stroke engine size for street bikes, right.

I remember seeing an Aprilia 60 cc two-stroke for sale at a local dealer. It was quite small and had a racing/sport style. A cool little bike. I guess the two-stroke gave it enough kick to go street speeds.



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« Reply #20 on: October 10, 2008, 10:24:24 PM »
I am just wondering when they made these and why do you like them so much?

1985-1988 with leftovers sold in 1989.  Only 2700 made during that time, for 10 countries, not including the US, where emissions laws and noise laws made it not street legal.  Mine came out of Canada, where Honda imported only 400 of them and all in 1986.

As for why I like it:

It's a Honda road-legal TWO STROKE, unheard of for such a "four-stroke-only" company
It's the biggest street two-stroke Honda ever built
It features then-current Grand Prix technology such as the TRAC anti-dive forks, ATAC expansion chambers, aluminum frame and swingarm (first roadbike equipped with such), etc.
The frame is a work of art
It's got an oddball triple-cylinder arrangement
It's a kick-start-only sportbike
It sounds awesome
Low production numbers make it super-collectible
It was never directly imported to the US, making it super-rare here
Mine already was imported and is on a valid FL title
Nothing, but NOTHING hits like a two-stroke coming into the powerband.  More addictive than heroin.
Two-strokes totally kick ass and make furious power compared to equal-sized and bigger four-strokes.  Note this bike makes almost 10 more HP than the later VFR400R, and is only about 11-12 hp down on the '87-88 CBR600 Hurricane, which has half-again as much displacement.

I just totally and completely fell in love with two-strokes and wanted a street-legal two-stroke.  Was gonna get a Kawasaki Mach III, but this one popped up from a family friend and was cheaper than a Mach III, yet is way more desirable.  It was a no-brainer.

Downsides are intense maintenance needs, (any stroker is like that though), poor parts availability, and the aforementioned furious power delivery, coupled with a narrow powerband makes it a demanding and engaging machine to ride.  You have to RIDE it, not just let it putt-putt around and drag your carcass everywhere.  You and the machine must become one to extract everything you can from it.  All those things can be off-putting to some people.

What made this legal; normally there's a pretty strict limit on two-stroke engine size for street bikes, right.

I dunno what made it legal.  It was sold in 10 other countries except the US, because of our Noise and Emissions Laws.  At this point, it's so old, I don't think anyone cares about importation, but at the time, Honda couldn't import and sell it in their biggest market.  Engine CCs have little to do with legality in this case.  Honda only chose 400cc for the machine instead of the full-size 500cc replicas of Suzuki and Yamaha because of engine-size tax laws in Japan and parts of Europe.  Under-400cc are easier to register and get a license for, whereas over-400cc it is VERY difficult and expensive to get a license.  This broadened the market for Honda.

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« Reply #21 on: October 10, 2008, 10:48:40 PM »


The Enfields are pretty cool man, they downtune them on purpose, you put another $800 in aftermarket parts into that Royal and you got a pretty decent bike.

That's what I was thinking... 500cc, specs say a top speed of 75mph?! Gotta be kidding, my 550 goes a heck of a lot faster than 75  :D


 Its 1955 'technology.
 The 'tuned' version makes about 27bhp
Multi cylinder bikes were always faster as they could turn more rpm (550 does about 70mph at 4,500~5,000rpm, bit slower than 500 Oilfield at same rpm)
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« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2008, 02:06:07 PM »
In a strange turn of events I've acquired a 1979 CX500 Deluxe for $75... Strange because I was looking at the one for $1150 just the other day... It's fire damaged (what is with me and fire damaged bikes?  :-X). Needs new rubber, 37k on the clock, vetter fairing needs to be removed and front turn signals replaced, seat needs to be replaced, left side cover is fire damaged, grips are damaged and the tank is faded. Some rust here and there, but it was running prior to the fire. Carbs will need to be rebuilt as one is covered in varnish. Throttle moves freely, both brakes working, shifts... Should be an easy project.

One word describes how I feel about this right now... Awesome. I think I'll pull that GT500 apart and sell the parts to fund this guy. I will get pictures of both up here sooner or later.
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