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Re: Honda Twins site - Nova Gearbox problems
« Reply #25 on: January 15, 2009, 07:26:28 AM »
       OH MAN!!!!!!! :o 8) I think I'm in SEVENTH Heaven!! 8)  (after seeing those 1st shots)

        And EIGHTEENTH,After seeing those other 2 shots!!!


                      Thanks for that Simon! ;) I appreciate those shots of your bike. 8)

     
Thanks Bill - she is a cutie isn't she  ;D

Mind you - if you like this, wait until you see the CR750 when she's finished, hopefully in a matter of a few months!

         Yeah Simon, she's something else alright. 8) ;) Oh Yeah, I'm a sucker for race bikes, cause I know that EVERYTHING on it is only there for a specific purpose. :) Ill be looking for it. ;)

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Re: Honda Twins site - Nova Gearbox problems
« Reply #26 on: January 15, 2009, 07:36:41 AM »
Looks great Simon, let us all know when and where you will be racing or testing I would like to see it in the flesh, Darley Moor  :D is also a local circuit to me.
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Re: Honda Twins site - Nova Gearbox problems
« Reply #27 on: January 15, 2009, 12:12:13 PM »
Looks great Simon, let us all know when and where you will be racing or testing I would like to see it in the flesh, Darley Moor  :D is also a local circuit to me.
Hi Malcolm, Darley is pretty close for me too but they stopped us running classics there about 4 years ago. Do you know if they've started up a new classic race class?
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Re: Honda Twins site - Nova Gearbox problems
« Reply #28 on: January 15, 2009, 12:56:55 PM »
Any news on the gearbox yet Simon ?

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Re: Honda Twins site - Nova Gearbox problems
« Reply #29 on: January 15, 2009, 03:51:25 PM »
Any news on the gearbox yet Simon ?

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       Yeah, anxious to know about that myself. :)
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Re: Honda Twins site - Nova Gearbox problems
« Reply #30 on: January 16, 2009, 04:13:47 AM »
Yes! After three days he's noticed the oil pump is missing....I didn't take it in with the engine. A good sign I'm sure...  :o
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Re: Honda Twins site - Nova Gearbox problems
« Reply #31 on: January 16, 2009, 01:04:11 PM »
Ooo -it's all fixed apparently! The gearbox was a minor tweak, the clutch locking up something simple but more involved....more than that I won't know until I can pick it up a week tomorrow. Arrrrgh! The suspense is killing me....! :-\
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Re: Honda Twins site - Nova Gearbox problems
« Reply #32 on: January 17, 2009, 02:18:53 AM »
Spoke to Dave this morning....the gearbox was sorted very quickly. Apparently it's just stiff, very stiff, being newly machines to modern tolerances but now it selects all 6 gears. The clutch was locking up the gearbox as soon as the crankcase part was fitted still. Dave took the spacers off that Nova gave me and found that the nova cases fouled the primary drive gear so when it was all bolted up the nova crankcase cover pushed on the primary gear and effectively sandwiched it solid.

Dave machined a slice off the primary gear to clear the cases and it's all free and easy now so job's a good 'un.

Now I'm going to talk to Nova about the problem - what do you think my chances are of getting them to pay part of the bill, yeah I know, some where between no hope and Bob Hope!  :D
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Re: Honda Twins site - Nova Gearbox problems
« Reply #33 on: January 19, 2009, 02:10:10 PM »
Nova are hope less ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Honda Twins site - Nova Gearbox problems
« Reply #34 on: January 24, 2009, 06:47:52 AM »
It's official, Nova Transmissions are very very hopeless and not only that, given that they advertise close ratio gear boxes and dry clutches for the CB450, I think they might also be in breach of rules around advertising.....here's what we found and bear in mind through all of this that one gearbox and one dry clutch has cost me £2500 JUST TO BUY IT.

The gearbox fits fine in the crank cases (unlike the 750 gearbox which I had to modify to fit with different shims - That was £1500). However, when bolted up it wouldn't select 1,5 and 6 gears. This was eventually traced to the gear selector fork design - they fouled the inside of my standard CB450 crank cases so preventing gear selection. You try and select gear and the selector fork jammed against the top of the cases inside. The modification to get around the poor design was to shave grooves into the inside of the crankcases to get clearance. These are supposed to be drop in and go transmissions!

Next the dry clutch. Two problems here but related. Nova supply the dry clutch with a new primary drive gear. When the clutch crankcase cover they supply is bolted to the standard main cases on the CB450, the inside of the clutch cover grips their own primary drive gear and holds it solid - result, one locked up engine. It's like stacking glasses inside one another and jamming the top one in.

Nova's solution that they have in their own admission used on several CB450 customers is to supply a 1mm thick aluminum spacer to move the case out and prevent the gear fouling. This is fine until you install the clutch basket and it becomes 1mm closer in relative terms to the crankcase side cover. Result - the clutch basket rivets cut a deep groove in the cover - not good!

The solution was to take their primary drive gear and chamfer the edges to clear the inside of the clutch case casting. Result - everything turns fine with some small resitance. So, next job was to work out what was causing that resistance. Turns out the primary drive gear also fouls the standard oil dipstick so I have to either cut it off or get an aftermaket breather.

I questioned Nova about this yesterday. Their response was that the castings of the cover could vary and if the guy had a bad day casting them the tolerances couldn't be guaranteed. And this is my problem why!? Their caster is a subcontractor to them, not to me and it is their legal responsibility to ensure that what they supply to the end customer does what they advertise it does - plainly it doesn't.

They then let slip that since the original castings, of which mine may have been one, they now machine the covers and don't cast them....so clearly they were aware of the flaws in the results that the cast method produced but were still happy to sell them on at around £1000.

I asked for my cover to be replaced which they agreed to do BUT they want the cover back first and cannot guarantee when they will send another one out to me - in their words "it could be months". I just can;t risk missing another season - I've probably already got track rusty and so don't want to take this option.

So, finally my bike works and it will run when back in the frame for sure. That's cost me a further £250 to sort out and two days of travelling/petrol costs.

I haven't had a single product from Nova that has fitted without modification and I've recently found out a friend and very accomplished bike engineer has had exactly the same experience. How these people are allowed to trade these products when they are not fit for the purpose they are advertised for is beyond me.

My advice - save your money and put it elsewhere in the bike, Nova won't help you with the problems they send you and you're going to pay a lot for the privilege of solving their design shortfalls.... >:(
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Re: Honda Twins site - Nova Gearbox problems
« Reply #35 on: January 25, 2009, 08:12:16 AM »
I think Nova and JMC share the same business philosophy Simon. ::)
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