Author Topic: Vintage Mag wheels (Read 85854 times)

Tim2005 · « **Reply #50 on:** January 05, 2009, 12:38:58 pm »

A few more wheels that I've seen on 750s (/400s for the ARE's):

Cambray
CMA
Campagnolo
ARE
Astralite

Keep them coming!

CBJoe · « **Reply #51 on:** January 05, 2009, 02:54:35 pm »

Quote from: bert96 on January 05, 2009, 01:14:28 am

Nope,more mod!

Does this mean that you can mod a Rear shaft driven Rim to chain drive? I have a Yamaha XV920 in the garage with nice rims, but I've ignored them because it was shaft driven.

Cheers...Joe

bert96 · « **Reply #52 on:** January 05, 2009, 04:02:05 pm »

Anything is possible,i have to install a master cylinder too,because the xs wheel have rotor in the back

This is a long term project

754 · « **Reply #53 on:** January 05, 2009, 07:48:33 pm »

Nnbolt the spline and build a spacer to convert from shaft wheel. Have not done one yet but a Nighthawk 16 rear looked not so shabby.

Good news is (covereting shaft wheel) it will be thick enough for a cush drive if so desired.

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Astralites.. WHOO__HOOO.. now I know what that Kawi set I have are called.. Fairly lite and nice and wide.. cush drive too.

Anyone know where they were made..??

fuzzybutt · « **Reply #54 on:** January 05, 2009, 07:51:35 pm »

that does it, i'm doing the conversion over to a rear disc brake and the comstars i have.

kayaker43 · « **Reply #55 on:** January 05, 2009, 08:58:23 pm »

They were more of a race thing but I always liked the clean no-nonsense look of the classic Dymags. They were used on a lot of the early superbikes.

http://www.bikehps.com/ProductFiles/DymagWheels.html scroll down to the bottom.

bert96 · « **Reply #56 on:** January 06, 2009, 02:01:20 am »

Quote from: 754 on January 05, 2009, 07:48:33 pm

Nnbolt the spline and build a spacer to convert from shaft wheel. Have not done one yet but a Nighthawk 16 rear looked not so shabby.

Good news is (covereting shaft wheel) it will be thick enough for a cush drive if so desired.

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Astralites.. WHOO__HOOO.. now I know what that Kawi set I have are called.. Fairly lite and nice and wide.. cush drive too.

Anyone know where they were made..??

Why the cush drive?

I was just thinking to install the sprocket and the rotor,(the spline and spacer too!)

Retro Rocket · « **Reply #57 on:** January 06, 2009, 03:41:21 am »

I'm pretty sure Astralites were made in England, i have seen them on a few race bikes here in Australia in the early eighties, nice simple wheel.

Mick

754 · « **Reply #58 on:** January 06, 2009, 05:53:22 am »

Some run cush drive, some dont.. a lot of drag racers dont.

Its supposed eliminate some strain on the drivetrain, and jerkiness, so its a bit harsher ride without it. I dont worry about it a lot.

Ricky_Racer · « **Reply #59 on:** January 19, 2009, 10:59:15 am »

I was having an email conversation with 754 recently and we discussed his statement, "Yeah, I think so.. Morris never made drum wheels." Recently I picked up a set of Morris-style wheels from a CB750K. They consisted of a 19" front disk and 17" rear DRUM. He asked me to post pics. Just in case there is any question about the drum wheel, I've also posted pics of a CB750/Hardley chopper wheel for comparison.

What think ye? RR

fishhead · « **Reply #60 on:** January 19, 2009, 11:21:30 am »

Quote from: Ricky_Racer on January 19, 2009, 10:59:15 am

set of Morris-style wheels

What think ye? RR

"Morris-style" and "Morris" wheel are 2 completely different wheels.
"Morris" wheels should have "M" inside a circle cast in the rim. The Morris style (KZ) usually have "enkei" or "Ashai"( could be wrong on that spelling). Could it be an EPM ? (usually unmarked).

The only Morris rear wheels that I have seen that did not convert to a rear discs were Harleys where the drum unbolts of the stock wheel and is bolted on the new Morris wheel. I havent seen every wheel they have made though. The Cylmer,Haynes and Chilton repair manuals I have that have the "hi-po" chapter in the back all state that the rear wheel has to be changed to disc for the Morris wheels.

Could the wheels be off a smaller Kawasaki KZ ? Pic of the front wheel?

KZ 400 Spoke rear wheel on Ebay(cush drive and hub look simular to CB and wheel posted)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Parts-Accessories_Motorcycle-Parts-Accessories__1976-KAWASAKI-KZ-400-REAR-WHEEL-1-85X19_W0QQitemZ120345940258QQddnZPartsQ20Q26Q20AccessoriesQQadiZ2863QQddiZ2811QQadnZMotorcycleQ20PartsQ20Q26Q20AccessoriesQQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotorcycles_Parts_Accessories?hash=item120345940258&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3A543%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

Ricky_Racer · « **Reply #61 on:** January 19, 2009, 11:35:03 am »

Hi Dan. I was hoping you'd chime in here. Of course I'm well acquainted with the Morris Industries logo - like you, I have others. I wasn't aware that EPM (Magni?) produced drum rears since I have only the Euro roadrace EPM wheels, but yes, both these wheels are sans logos. No adapters are used on the front wheel and it mounts the standard CB750 rotor. The wheels were taken off a CB750K, and the CB750 rear brake outers are a perfect fit. I haven't tried to measure it, but the width on this rear rim is pretty substantial.

I'll try to post pics of the front wheel if I can find time later today. Thanks for your input. RR

fishhead · « **Reply #62 on:** January 19, 2009, 11:45:46 am »

Maybe its the photo or angle, but the mag wheels cush drive and brake drum do look alot smaller than the Honda hub pictured.
I've never had an EPM rear mag (only fronts) so I dont know any thing about them. The fronts I have had a solid 1 peice hub (morris has 3 peice) but the EPM had a machined edge about 1/4 inch inside (towards the center of the wheel from the disc mounting area) to look like the Morris 3 peice hub.

Edit: The EPM wheels I have had were very lightweight, even when compared to the Morris wheels.

Ricky_Racer · « **Reply #63 on:** January 19, 2009, 12:05:13 pm »

Thanks, Dan. I threw a caliper on the two rears and the dimensions are identical: same diameter, same width, same bearings. Even the castings are virtually identical on both brakes.

Gotta admit, this one has me a little surprised too. But every now and then I run across some truly strange parts. Recently I found a prototype sandcast RC Engineering domed points cover; Russ Collins is originally local. A friend was using the cover as an ashtray in his garage!

I'll be stripping these wheels soon and I'll take a close look for the removal of any previous markings. I'll post the front as soon as possible. Thanks again. RR

754 · « **Reply #64 on:** January 19, 2009, 06:40:09 pm »

My Morris front has a thin rib betewen the spokes, in the middle of the rim. The Kawi ones the rib on the spoke runs out to the machined rim portion, the one in the pic looked in between Kawi & Morris..

Morris came in Anodized (i think first one, bare and later painted.. I have a skinny 18 rear, a bit too narrow for me & a 750

Be interesting to know how much effort morris put into going after people using their design. As far as I know Perry Sands bought the tooling in the 80,s.. and I think may have made some wider 18,s.

I,ll check back late 2nite.... gotta date with a Bridgeport...

KWICK · « **Reply #65 on:** February 03, 2009, 04:34:10 pm »

Here's my 1971 CB500, imported special by the guy who owned it's father who was a Honda mucky-muck, with CB550F bodywork. On the back straight after the hairpin at Phoenix International circa 1978.

It had Kimtab Magnesium wheels that would tarnish after polishing in less than an hour. It also had a HUGE Hurst Airhart disc brake in the rear.

Here's a pic of the disc:

Another pic in the infield at PIR, still circa 1978

I had CB550 pistons and CB750K0 four cable carbs on it and it would stomp 1979-80 CB750F twin cams when they were new.

KWICK · « **Reply #66 on:** February 03, 2009, 04:38:06 pm »

Quote from: fishhead on January 19, 2009, 11:45:46 am

Maybe its the photo or angle, but the mag wheels cush drive and brake drum do look alot smaller than the Honda hub pictured.
I've never had an EPM rear mag (only fronts) so I dont know any thing about them. The fronts I have had a solid 1 peice hub (morris has 3 peice) but the EPM had a machined edge about 1/4 inch inside (towards the center of the wheel from the disc mounting area) to look like the Morris 3 peice hub.

Edit: The EPM wheels I have had were very lightweight, even when compared to the Morris wheels.

My CBX has 3.5"x 18" rear and 2.5"x 19" front EPM Magnesium mags on it, what do you want to know about them?

SKTP · « **Reply #67 on:** February 03, 2009, 04:45:09 pm »

Quote from: Ricky_Racer on January 19, 2009, 10:59:15 am

I was having an email conversation with 754 recently and we discussed his statement, "Yeah, I think so.. Morris never made drum wheels." Recently I picked up a set of Morris-style wheels from a CB750K. They consisted of a 19" front disk and 17" rear DRUM. He asked me to post pics. Just in case there is any question about the drum wheel, I've also posted pics of a CB750/Hardley chopper wheel for comparison.

What think ye? RR

Those red wheels are pretty sweet...I will be keepign my eyes open for a pair for sure...

City Boy · « **Reply #68 on:** February 03, 2009, 06:24:35 pm »

Hi guys.I have a set of Morris mags [alum.] on my unit.I bought them shortly after Morris Industries came on the motorcycle scene.I met Elliot Morris at his shop in L.A.He was a fine gentleman.He gave me a tour of his facility.I ordered a wm3x18 front and wm4x18 rear with cush drive.He advised me not to buy his magnesium wheel for the street due to the need for constant x-ray for cracks required.While at his shop,he showed me pictures of his Indy 500 days when there was an on board mechanic!He also spoke of his development of the machinery for the Halibrand mag wheel.At the time of my purchase,he was having trouble with his supplier of raw castings.More orders were being rejected than accepted.My wheels arrived by air freight a few weeks after I ordered them,complete with a generously provided reduced bill for the "revenuers"!The wheels fit without a hitch,however,the cush drive was not up to the job.While downshifting one day on Kingston Rd. in Toronto,all the sprocket bolts sheared .I fit 3/8" bolts in place of the 5/16" originals,and deleted the cush drive.All was well afterwards.Typing this brings back fond memories of Mr. Morris! Rock On

SKTP · « **Reply #69 on:** February 04, 2009, 08:08:11 pm »

I found a set of Invader Style Mags with no front brake mounting options what-so-ever? Is there a (reasonable, not crazy fabricating) way to use this wheel with a disk? I'm thinking, no...but I thought I'd ask anyway

Thanks

754 · « **Reply #70 on:** February 09, 2009, 07:22:00 pm »

Weld on a flange for the disc, remachine, then paint that part with silver paint..

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Fishhead, looks like there are 2 types of Morris Mags. I found a magazine ad the other day from 76, that definitely fas no central rib between spokes on backside of rim. But my anodized early one has it for sure..

Powderman · « **Reply #71 on:** February 25, 2009, 12:19:08 pm »

I am new to this forum, but would like to reply to some of the questions I have read so far, though I havent read them all and some may have been answered already. The KIMTAB mag wheel is indeed made of magnesium. I believe I acquired the very last set from KIMTAB when they went bankrupt back in the mid/late 70s. I worked a back door deal the day after the went into receivership, I bought a front 19x3 with dual Hurst/Airheart calipers, drilled 12" rotors, master cylinder and lines and a rear 18x4 with Hurst/Airheart caliper,drilled 12" rotor, master cylinder and lines for a total of $415.00. You want to talk hens teeth made of unobtainium, here you go.These have been on my equally as rare 62 HD XLCH Sportster for over 30 years. I have since replaced the calipers with a custom set of current 4 piston calipers I made as well as a Coleman race products custom made 1/4" solid rear disc rotor ( the old 1/8 rotor cup warpped). These sit on a set of Ceriani 35mm roadrace forks(also made of unobtainium) This bike is my baby and will never be sold (well, if the check is big enough) 97 horsepower and weighs just 360 lbs. 2 choices when you get on this thing ,hospitals or jail,lol. Here she is , enjoy. I do powder coating for a living and am getting ready to tear her down and coat everything on it.(creativecandy.org)

754 · « **Reply #72 on:** February 25, 2009, 08:49:18 pm »

Cool bike, love those forks..they are remaking them . Wil talk to a guy that sells them soon, and get a price.

Is the lower end XL or XR ? is there a charging system? can you show a pic of the other side..

Powderman · « **Reply #73 on:** February 25, 2009, 09:32:41 pm »

Lower end is XL with lightened flywheels,generator gone ,magneto mounted in gen hole like XR , rare Sputhe heads(1 of maybe 10 sets left in the world), sifton cams ( C grind on early XL shafts with XR pattern), no starter (bump start), no charging system(total loss battery). Bike was purpose built to go fast, if it wasnt needed to go fast or stop ,it wasnt put on the bike. Aluminum heads and cylinders came in at exactly half the weight of the cast iron ones, took 55 lbs off the 188 lb motor, 165 lbs off a stock Sporty. You say these forks are being remade, by whom ,do you know? My brother and I were just discussing today of remaking these complete forks. Sorry about the pics ,didnt realize I had posted 2 pics of left ,thought I had left and right sides, so here you go.

754 · « **Reply #74 on:** February 25, 2009, 09:41:10 pm »

I think forks are being made in Italy still, Storz was a US distributor.
There is a dealer up here in Canada of Laverda and Italian parts, said he can get them.

Where are you located, trying to remember if I have seen your bike in a magazine over the years..

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Author Topic: Vintage Mag wheels (Read 85854 times)

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