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« Reply #125 on: March 30, 2009, 02:49:10 PM »
I passed over that quick entry in the wiki

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« Reply #126 on: April 01, 2009, 10:11:24 PM »
Alright.
I started this crap. Had no idea it would evolve into 9 pages of responses though.
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Liberals: I respect your views and as a fellow American I wish you well.

Conservatives: I admire your views and will give my soul and life for my country;
 ...........you libs WILL NEVER WIN, but I hope you enjoy the fight. 8) 8)
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« Reply #127 on: April 01, 2009, 10:55:23 PM »


Conservatives: I admire your views and will give my soul and life for my country;
 ...........you libs WILL NEVER WIN, but I hope you enjoy the fight. 8) 8)
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« Reply #128 on: April 02, 2009, 12:22:08 AM »
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Don't hold your breath....... ;D

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« Reply #129 on: April 02, 2009, 04:13:55 AM »

All this talk of being angry at the government and freedom of speech and yet....no protests?

Last night  on the local New England news channel the newscaster summed it up pretty well...Europeans take to the streets in thousands, protest, riot even when disagreeing with government policies or making their feelings known....whereas Americans when angry with their government send an email or text  ::)...and now I guess we can add whining about it in motorcycle forums.  Where is the outrage?


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Re: Beat me or Ban me; It just doesn't matter anymore!
« Reply #130 on: April 02, 2009, 04:20:27 AM »

 ...........you libs WILL NEVER WIN, but I hope you enjoy the fight.


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« Reply #131 on: April 02, 2009, 05:20:47 AM »
Here's my take on Wagoner being asked to step down.

He completely and continually screws up his company's business model, and looks to continued handouts from the government to keep a dysfunctional business afloat.

The US Government agrees with him that it would really suck if GM goes under, but think he's been running the company into the ground.  They say, if you want more money then put someone else in as leader that doesn't suck.

Fine don't take the money and stay on as chief.

If my kid came to me asking me for money because he had a gambling debt that he needed to pay off I wouldn't just hand it over without condition either.  Doing so would encourage him to keep gambling because he knows I have his back.  ---- No way ----  I would require him to be in a program to get help. I would help, and for a short time would take some ownership of behavior and drive him to gamblers anonymous meetings and talk him through the trouble. 

Not exactly analogous, but it illustrates my viewpoint. 

And no, I don't agree with much of what is happening in bailouts.  I don't have a problem with this particular issue.




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« Reply #132 on: April 02, 2009, 06:09:27 AM »
Not bad being fired and walking away with $23 million though. How's the poor guy going to make ends meet? ::)
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« Reply #133 on: April 02, 2009, 06:11:18 AM »
Where is our outrage andy? Americans are too busy working to try to live, we dont have the time to protest! In the 50s, a home with more than 1 income was unheard of, now it is common place. If you keep the population working, watching tv or otherwise tied up, they cant protest! :'(

As for libs not winning, we ARE winning. If we were not, the USA would still be a british colony! IF it were even settled. ;)

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« Reply #134 on: April 02, 2009, 06:41:29 AM »
Oh don't worry boys, the protests will be coming soon once things get bad enough here.
And it will happen.
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« Reply #135 on: April 02, 2009, 08:53:58 AM »
I didn't take the time to read all ten pages of this, just the first few, so this may have been brought up already.

The entire mess started under Clinton when he signed the bill doing away with the Glass-Steagal Act that regulated banks.  IIRC it was a Republican controlled congress that wrote the bill, and definetly a Democrat that signed it.  Both parties are at fault for the mess we're presently in.  One might add there are others responsible also - bankers, speculators, Wall Street, millions who had to have it all right now and bought on credit, real estate people who overpriced houses, unions with ludicrous demands, corporations that put profit before country  -  the list includes every sector of our society.

And now a president with socialist leanings (leanings?  Hah.  He's a socialist from the word go.) who's using he present crisis to turn us into the U.S.S.A.  With any luck at all he'll be a one-term president and will be gone before he can achieve his goal.  But when the economy turns around as it always does Obama will take credit for that and sheeple will re-elect him.

By the way, I don't listen to Limbaugh or others like him.  Can't stand their ranting and raving or the radical conservatism they espouse.


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« Reply #136 on: April 02, 2009, 09:39:20 AM »
Started before that, Dram. You have to go further back than Clinton.
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Re: Beat me or Ban me; It just doesn't matter anymore!
« Reply #137 on: April 02, 2009, 02:02:53 PM »
Where is our outrage andy? Americans are too busy working to try to live, we dont have the time to protest! In the 50s, a home with more than 1 income was unheard of, now it is common place. If you keep the population working, watching tv or otherwise tied up, they cant protest! :'(

As for libs not winning, we ARE winning. If we were not, the USA would still be a british colony! IF it were even settled. ;)

Vinman, I agree with you, but my inner asshat needs to point out that in the 50s, while there was mad gadgetry abound, most households didn't blow their money on playstations, wiis, big screen tvs, the biggest effing car they could find, etc.  Life was kept simpler and people tended to save for whatever big purchases they made instead of getting what they wanted, when they wanted it and going into debt for it.

Now, debt is a way of life. Credit card debt, medical debt, owing on one's boat/car/bike/etc/so-on.
Single income households can work if people are willing to scale back their expenses, but that's not how you keep up with the Joneses. 

As far as no outrage, back in the beginning of Desert Storm II, I was in several protests in my home state, and my friends here in OR were protesting and coming back with stories of flash grenades and tear gas, cops in riot gear and such.  Then it was declared that protesters were unamerican (remember that?) and could be labeled a 'terrorist threat'.  Suddenly protesters were terrorists, at least where I was from, and it started to get scary... not that we didn't have candle light vigils, petitions, etc etc.

I think the celebration in the streets world-wide when Obama was elected says volumes more than most protests.  It's easy to congregate out of anger and fear.  It's far more rare to see people dancing and cheering in town squares, everywhere there's a TV, announcing the news.  I think the masses on the DC mall for the inauguration speech was a poignant reminder of the hope our nation has for some kind of change, even if a lot of us aren't always willing to make the lifestyle changes necessary to see change the way it should be.
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« Reply #138 on: April 02, 2009, 02:25:20 PM »
As far as no outrage, back in the beginning of Desert Storm II, I was in several protests in my home state

Me too, then I went and joined the Marine Corps. Call me bipolar...


There is really a major fact that everyone is over looking here.

It does NOT matter who is in office. Let that sink in. Let the rage pass. Okay. It does not matter who is in office, because in the end they are all goons for the rich. ALL OF THEM. In combination with that fact, the other major problem is the freaking attitude of "I work hard for what I have and I don't want to share". What in god's name is so hard and painful about shilling out a few bucks to help your fellow man. No no! We must protect the guy who STEALS 100 million dollars or more a year, he earned it. Come on guys! Top tallent doesn't come cheap! Not anyone can pull the wool over your eyes and steal all your savings!

Please.....

I don't like Obama. I've said it before, I'll say it again, and again, and again... I'm still going to give him a fair shot. For those of you using the socialist arguement, please, tell me what is wrong with it. I'm serious. Before you get all excited, I'm going to take away the majority of your argument right now... it is not, nor will it be, the first step tword communism. Other than the fact communism does not, and could never work, it's not a bad model any how. Oh wait, I better be careful with that talk or the higher paid amoung us will be at my door step with torches and pitch forks. I have no problem with capitalism... except the fact that it totally inflates greed and pokes a big fat hole in humanity and also obviously does not work... so why not bring a little socialism into the mix?

Oh and as far as that "you liberals (which I am not, nor am I standing up for them) will never win" deal... obviously we have a liberal president.... seeing as how the majority elected him into office... I'd say they won... most of your "conservative" party was too ashamed to even vote....


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Re: Beat me or Ban me; It just doesn't matter anymore!
« Reply #139 on: April 03, 2009, 02:46:25 PM »
... For those of you using the socialist arguement, please, tell me what is wrong with it. I'm serious.
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I'm sorry, I just hear too much of this from kids who are barely out of university.  I have to try to understand that it is not their fault that they simply don't understand.  Their brains have been trained by the socialist-biased public education system.  The United Federation of Teachers is the largest socialist organization in the nation, and they have a lock on the minds of future generations who are required BY LAW to attend their classes and listen to their members.  Rarely are dissenting viewpoints proposed to our youth.  I have to remember that unless someone explains it to them, they may simply accept what they've been taught in school, as they really don't have much else to go by.

Here are my thoughts on why socialism is bad:

Of course it is very noble to help others who are in need.  We should all be charitable and try to donate our time, gifts, and money to charities that we know benefit mankind.

Socialism is not about charity, however.  Socialism is about government deciding who is worthy of our charity, and deciding how to control the charity.  Socialism is about big government making decisions about how, when, where, how much, and on whom you must spend your hard-earned money.  Socialists believe that only the elite "intellectuals" in the ruling class are capable of making those decisions, and deciding what's "best for the people".

Socializing is about labotomizing, dis-empowering the Common Man, and assuming control of every aspect of their daily lives, because the government knows "what's best for the people" better than The People do.

Socialism is about the government taking control of how you raise your children because you are certainly not capable of making such decisions for your family.  You don't really think that working hard and saving so that your kids can go to better schools is a good thing, do you?  Socialism is about the government deciding which kids go to the best schools, and funding those kids' educations through taxes collected from The People.  Pay no mind to the fact that The People have that much less money to fund their own educations, or their childrens' educations.  That just makes the government control that much more entrenched.  If your kid's views don't align with those of the government (including the public education system's teachers), rest assured that they are doomed to a life of hard-working frustration at the hands of government tyranny.  That's because the socialist government knows "what's best for the people".

Socialism is, in fact, very closely tied to Marxism.  Marx, in fact, called socialism "the first phase of communist society".  Marx and Engels both argued that socialism is "the transitional phase between capitalism and 'higher phase of communist society'".  See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_socialism  and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism.  Also, read the communist manifesto, if your mind is strong enough to resist the appeal of getting something for nothing without regard for the long-term sustainability.

Once The People are dis-empowered and weak, how can they resist government control?  I could go on and on with examples of how socialists throughout history have done nothing but dis-empower the people they ruled (Adolph Hitler was one prominent socialist), and then proceeded on to tyranny.  But then again, you should go google it, and empower yourself to make the right decisions.

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http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22what%27s+wrong+with+socialism%22&aq=0&oq=
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« Reply #140 on: April 03, 2009, 04:21:15 PM »
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« Reply #141 on: April 03, 2009, 04:52:07 PM »
Meh, it worked for Star Trek...  ::)
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« Reply #142 on: April 03, 2009, 05:20:34 PM »
Just cause marx said it does not mean he was correct. It was 1 person and he could be wrong. I fail to see where marx is the grand master expert on this subject. He is just convenient for people to use in an argument against socialism.

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« Reply #143 on: April 03, 2009, 05:37:00 PM »
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Their brains have been trained by the socialist-biased public education system.
What a load of rubbish, this is the type of crap governments go telling people to "scare" them off something. Our system will never get to full blown socialism or communism, that is a fact, but that doesn't mean that some of the idea's aren't feesable. If i put a chevy engine in my bronco that doesn't make the car a chev. I just love the way when someone is understandably trying to put forward idea's to a better and less selfish future for everyone, they get labeled "socialist" , Typical and ignorant. The system the way it is at the moment is geared totally towards the rich at the expense of everyone else, your view is worthless to these selfish morons, its all about maintaining their lavish lifestyles, and when it all goes bad, half of them neck themselves and even kill their families because they can't live in our world......once again, ignorant and selfish.........rant over.

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« Reply #144 on: April 03, 2009, 05:40:37 PM »
Just cause marx said it does not mean he was correct. It was 1 person and he could be wrong. I fail to see where marx is the grand master expert on this subject. He is just convenient for people to use in an argument against socialism.

ONE person?? Here`s some stuff from folks other than old Karl,

"A society that puts equality...ahead of freedom will end up with neither equality nor freedom." ~ Milton Friedman

“We cannot expect Americans to jump from capitalism to Communism,
but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans doses of socialism
until they suddenly awake to find out they have Communism.”
~Nikita Khrushchev


“It is not alone that property, in all its forms, is struck at, but that liberty, in all its forms, is challenged by the fundamental conceptions of Socialism” ~ Winston Churchill

“Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word, equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.” ~ Alexis de Tocqueville


and one of my favorites (though it has nothing to do with socialism  ;D ;D)

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« Reply #145 on: April 04, 2009, 01:06:11 PM »
And all those quotes are opinions, nothing more. Bottom line is the american system does NOT work. A new method is needed.I would have to contend a combination of systems will work best.

So chris, find all the quotes you want, they are all still opinions. ::)

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« Reply #146 on: April 04, 2009, 01:33:09 PM »
And all those quotes are opinions, nothing more. Bottom line is the american system does NOT work. A new method is needed.I would have to contend a combination of systems will work best.

So chris, find all the quotes you want, they are all still opinions. ::)

We need the old system back, not a new one. Any deviation from freedom is a lack of freedom; therefore in order to be free we need to reject non free new ideas. Like, warrantless wire taps, taxation without representation, "spreading the wealth", torture.........the list could go on forever.

Vinman, your contention is also an opinion, just like everyone else including mine. In fact if you just want to argue, everything is a matter of opinion, color, shape, beauty, justice, fairness. So what is your point? Someone had an opinion one time, that unfair taxation was not what they wanted. So they got a group together and dumped a bunch of tea in the Boston harbor, I'm glad of their opinion. Someone had the opinion that they did not want to be ruled by a king; they fought and succeeded in freeing a country from tyranny. Someone had the opinion that we needed to be able to defend ourselves from our own government just in case they tried to take away our freedom. I am glad for their opinion. Someone had the opinion that, we needed to be able to voice our OPINIONS freely without fear of persecution, I am glad of that opinion. If it weren’t for opinions nothing would ever happen. Trashing the fact that someone has an opinion is just a show of how ignorant some people are. And yes that is my opinion!

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« Reply #147 on: April 04, 2009, 01:47:16 PM »
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Trashing the fact that someone has an opinion is just a show of how ignorant some people are. And yes that is my opinion!

You talk too much BBB  :P

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« Reply #148 on: April 04, 2009, 01:51:38 PM »
I never said it wasnt an opinion. I think you need some exlax as you seemed to be backed up. ;D
Relax, you're going to have a coronary!

As for going back to the old system, it failed. It would fail again. I actually wonder if any system would work but then I remember everyone is human and so the answer is no. When the day comes that man is not corruptible,  THEN a system will work. Till then, sooner or later someone is going to want more power and do what they need to get it. THAT is the failure of ANY system.

I would LOVE to have a good system that works perfectly but again, humans are not perfect.

I DO take issue with this quote though:
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A society that puts equality...ahead of freedom will end up with neither equality nor freedom." ~ Milton Friedman

I feel it is BS and misguided as without equality, you can never have complete freedom. A quote like this calls for freedom for certain people over others. For example, men could vote but not women so how do women have freedom? I mean you DO agree women should have the same freedoms as men right? I mean to think otherwise would be wrong right?

Regardless, spending time here bickering will not help anything now will it. Talking with your congressmen and other elected officials is where  a person needs to start.

I might not do that on every issue but I do as much as I have time for.


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« Reply #149 on: April 04, 2009, 02:06:31 PM »
.... Bottom line is the american system does NOT work....

Are you going to blame the whole SOHC4 engine because you screwed with the carbs, thinking you knew what you were doing, and now it does not run?

Any system will not work if you screw with any part of it.  A system requires balance.  When the government started pressuring the banks to lend to those who could not afford a house, back at the end of Clinton's term and the beginning of Bush's, the system was unbalanced and the stage was set for failure.
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