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tranny popping out of gear?
« on: April 19, 2009, 06:33:29 PM »
ok....so first off im a super newbie to all of this.....so here goes my first post....i recently purchased a 71 cb750K1....after a thourough cleaning and change of sparkplugs...and new oil i fired her right up....she is great.....EXCEPT....at high rpm she pops out of gear....where do i start with this problem?????? it happens between 6 and 7 thousand rpm....Please HELP!!!!!!
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Re: tranny popping out of gear?
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2009, 06:40:34 PM »
Sorry I thought this was some guy dressed in womens clothes doing a strip! ;D
Wait long enough and a herd of 750 buffs will be right with you. :)
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Re: tranny popping out of gear?
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2009, 06:46:12 PM »
Hey congrats on the first post, you even mentioned which bike you have... lots of posts forget that important part.

Does it slip out of every gear at that rpm range? Does it shift smoothly otherwise?

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« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2009, 06:48:06 PM »
lol...well thanks...yeah it does it on every gear at high rpm......but seems to shift fine to me.....
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Re: tranny popping out of gear?
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2009, 06:59:31 PM »
there are lots of reasons it could slip out of gear, but here's a link for you to check out.  This guy was a member here many years ago, he wrote up his adventures pretty well.

http://www.salocal.com/sohc/tech/tranny/slipgear.htm

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Re: tranny popping out of gear?
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2009, 07:15:27 PM »
wow thanks!!! funny thing i actually have his website saved in my favorites lol...right under my nose....i will have to check this out....fingers crossed!!!
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Re: tranny popping out of gear?
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2009, 07:40:04 PM »
Here's another possibility:

http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=48094.msg505959#msg505959

Since you're jumping out of gear in all gears, sounds to be more like a selector problem than a problem with the gears, dogs, or shift forks.

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Re: tranny popping out of gear?
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2009, 07:47:06 PM »
pop your shift cover off and take a pic.
everything I say is pure speculation and
I have no idea what I'm talking about  ._.


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Re: tranny popping out of gear?
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2009, 07:54:21 PM »
There's 2 other possibilities, depending on mileage or previous treatment of the bike:

1. If the bike was shifted quite a bit without the clutch (i.e., street fighters), the little shift arm ratchet might be bent, or the drum's retainer plate screw might have come loose a couple of turns. Both of these things will cause an incomplete shift into gear, which then tends to pop back out because the dogs are not fully engaged. At high RPM, the crankcases twist a little from the torque and the mainshaft binds just a hair, which forces the countershaft to misalign and the partially-engaged dogs to slip out of position. A fully-engaged gear dog meshes about 4-7mm, while a partial shift is typically around 2-3mm (which will pop back out). This equipment can be easily checked by looking under the tranny cover on the left side, where the shifter is located.

2. If the bike has lots and lots and lots of miles on it (K0 through K3 models), the tips of the grooves in the shifter drum might be worn down, especially in the lower 3 gears, from city traffic shifting. Honda changed this drum in the K4 model to have slightly wider tips at the ends of these track grooves, just to ensure fewer jumpouts with accumulated miles. That worked, but also made the gearbox always feel a little stodgy, forcing the rider to be deliberate about the shifting action. The early and late parts interchange with each other: if you're a 'normal' rider, look around for someone here who has an extra one from a previous parts bike, if you decide you need one. This exchange requires splitting the cases though.  :P
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Re: tranny popping out of gear?
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2009, 08:03:46 PM »
HondaMan's brain is so full of useful information, he now looks like this with no helmet on.
everything I say is pure speculation and
I have no idea what I'm talking about  ._.


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Re: tranny popping out of gear?
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2009, 08:10:03 PM »
so socals problem wasnt the same as mine :( so here is the only pic it will let me upload for some reason
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Re: tranny popping out of gear?
« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2009, 08:12:24 PM »
try using photobucket.


 (and a better camera) ;D ;D ;D ;D

but seriously, photobucket
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Re: tranny popping out of gear?
« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2009, 08:13:23 PM »
where's your shifter arm and ratchet lever?
everything I say is pure speculation and
I have no idea what I'm talking about  ._.


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Re: tranny popping out of gear?
« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2009, 08:25:53 PM »
First off thanks for the photo bucket idea it worked....secon off here are the rest of the pics and another....the last pic is of what stayed on the shift cover when i took it off......
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Re: tranny popping out of gear?
« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2009, 08:27:34 PM »
Good spotting Industrial cafe, found the problem straight off. ;D
I think the thing I most like about motorcycling is the speed at which my brain must process information at to avoid the numb skulls who are eating pies, playing the ukulele, applying make-up etc in the comfort of their airconditioned armchairs as they make random attempts to kill me!!!!!!!

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Re: tranny popping out of gear?
« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2009, 08:29:21 PM »
Shouldn't the shift lever etc stay in the casing when he removed it?
I think the thing I most like about motorcycling is the speed at which my brain must process information at to avoid the numb skulls who are eating pies, playing the ukulele, applying make-up etc in the comfort of their airconditioned armchairs as they make random attempts to kill me!!!!!!!

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Re: tranny popping out of gear?
« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2009, 08:58:21 PM »
hahaha! I'm like an eagle.
everything I say is pure speculation and
I have no idea what I'm talking about  ._.


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Re: tranny popping out of gear?
« Reply #17 on: April 20, 2009, 09:44:49 AM »
put the lever and arm back in the assembly.

there was a problem once where one of the guys had the lever return spring on wrong from the PO. and it was popping out.
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Re: tranny popping out of gear?
« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2009, 04:00:19 PM »
have i gotten this lever in right?
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Re: tranny popping out of gear?
« Reply #19 on: April 20, 2009, 04:32:49 PM »
yeah, looks right, if you spin the wheel and push the shifter pedal, does it shift into the gears?

you're gonna want to check all the bolts and screws for tightness and see if your springs are holding tight. also check for wear marks and 'play' on every part you can see, nothing should be loose.


edit: I have a pile of spare trans parts here for the K1, check your shaft bearings too.
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Re: tranny popping out of gear?
« Reply #20 on: April 20, 2009, 04:44:23 PM »
That was one heck of a first post, you got pics uploaded, and the problem was found by the 15th reply.  excellent!

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Re: tranny popping out of gear?
« Reply #21 on: April 20, 2009, 04:47:25 PM »
so ive found something that is loose.....its a little plate located behind what i have circled....its held on by a hex head bolt....actually the plate is about 2-3 inches round behind it...
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« Reply #22 on: April 20, 2009, 04:48:08 PM »
thanks alan f. but i dont know if i got it fixed as of yet but im still trying
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Re: tranny popping out of gear?
« Reply #23 on: April 20, 2009, 05:56:53 PM »
If I remember correctly thats the retainer that holds the drum firmly in place, if it's loose the drum can move in and out thus slipping the gears out.

bit I could be wrong. that should be tight anyways, tighten it, check any other possibilities and go for a ride.
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Re: tranny popping out of gear?
« Reply #24 on: April 20, 2009, 06:36:19 PM »
Industrial: you have it right. If the retainer plate is loose, the shift cam (drum) can move in and out about 1-2mm, easily enough to let it slip out of gear. That's probably the original problem.
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