Topic: Candy Gold Formulation

[Ted Nomura]

I need to repaint my candy-gold 1970 CB750 since it's sunfaded in part to the silver undercoat. Fortunately the area between the seat and gas tank shows the original paint in glorious color. I just hate going to the expensive professional paintshop since the matching paint spraycans of the old days are no longer available. But the don-paint jobs do look real good. I might try that first.

[6pkrunner]

Ted - after suffering a few dismal defeats from "We can match it" guys with their scanners and computer generated models and being so far off base I was disheartened. But Don's kit for the Candy Gold is a thing of beauty. These shots do not do it justice. The depth of paint is there just as the original.
I have one of Don's Flake Sunrise Orange kits on hand and will be getting those tank and cases done ASAP.

[74cb750]

Ok, I need to know...Ted and the rest of you:
Do you all have your own paint shops/dust free areas or
do you use a local painter?

The local painter I went to (in Walpole NH) wanted $800/tank single color
$1200 for tank/sidecover (two colors)+ extra for any stripes
PLUS this quote does not include the cost of the paint.

My gararge is not dust free enough for me to paint in and the cost
to set it up would probably be prohitbitive....
peace,
michel

[6pkrunner]

Michel - the guy I use is a painter for a living. He has a shop set up at home with a downdraft booth in his garage. However for the frames and tanks I give him to paint he takes them to work as the booth at his work also has a bake oven to cure the paint.
For the mustard attempt on the tank and sidecases he charged me $300 - $140 of that was for the mustard paint from Hot Hues. This time he charged me $150 to paint the tank and cases. I supplied him one of Don's incredibly complete kits.
A frame paint (frame, swingarm, lower triple tree, both stands, battery box, oil tank, motor mounts,chain guard, toolkit, etc - 19 pieces in all) he charges me $400. All the major pieces are glass beaded, the oil tank is stripped with paint cleaner as not to get media in it and the headlight bucket is hand sanded. He then basecoat/clearcoats and puts these 19 pieces in to bake also.
The downside for his services is the wait time. Soon as I got the Candy Gold back I booked a request for the K5 frame and bits, and after that the Flake Orange.
The frame is a possibility in 5-6 weeks- he'll call when he's ready, and he didn't even give me an estimated time for the Orange. But for the price and quality - I can bide my time.

The stripes and decals I get from Reproduction Decals.

[74cb750]

Last time I paid someone to paint a bike (72 Kawasaki S2) I had to wait 13 weeks and
it was horrible with hundreds, lieterally hundreds , of airbubbles under the decals!!
As this was my only ride at the beginning of the springtime, I was very upset, needless to say.

When you find a good painter, treat him well, but 5-6 weeks still seems WAY to long to
wait for such small items.

Now that I have the space for a paint room, all I need is the $ for lights/filters etc etc....hmmmm
wonder if I can take out anouther loan....

I would really like to know: What is the average others have waited for a good paintjob on their bikes.
peace,
michel

[6pkrunner]

Agreed if this were a normal priority business I wouldn't want to wait so long. But he knows that I am in no rush for the stuff I send him and he assigns it accordingly. And with what he charges me (for the bike stuff anyway - the cars are more substantial ) I am not going to argue.

[dusterdude]

if you can afford to wait and not hassle the guy,you can usually get a better price.

[6pkrunner]

Not a hassle for me at all dd. The CBs, like the cars are hobby items and done for enjoyment. The positive part is that for $200 or so I can work on a bike for quite some time. For the cars it takes several thousands to amass enough to be able to get dirty or busy.

[dusterdude]

shoot yea,you got that right

[74cb750]

Solved my painting problem: seems a guy at work needs his KZ650 carbs rebuilt
(I have several sets) and he used to paint mc's....
I'll be buying some paint this week from Don for the 74 orange flake.

Will post pictures when the project is complete and let you all kow where
& how much it all costs.

I can't wait
peace,
michel

[techy5025]

My painter charged 600 bucks for all the painted parts, minor repair on the airbox, and he
supplied the paint.....I supplied the decals.  This was for the K0.  It will be more on the
sandcast as the tank has several dints to be fixed and the airbox repaired.  I will use Don's
paint this time although I was very pleased with his match of the candy ruby red on the K0.
He took 3 weeks as he worked it in several other jobs.

As an aside the frame and all the iron parts are in to be power coated.....for $625. Time
4 days.......i thought this was pretty good.  Don't ask about the re-chrome cost. 

Jim

[Terry in Australia]

As an aside the frame and all the iron parts are in to be power coated.....for $625. Time
4 days.......i thought this was pretty good.  Don't ask about the re-chrome cost. 
Jim

G'Day Jim, geez that powdercoating is expensive mate, over here I can get a complete frame with swingarm, triples,  brackets etc sandblasted and powdercoated for under $200.00 AUD. (around $150.00 US)

If it was painted I could understand the added expense, but powdercoating is a very cheap medium with very little prep required compared to painting, so $625.00 seems awfully expensive? Cheers, Terry.

[6pkrunner]

Because the chroming process has been deemed environmentally unfriendly around here the costs have gone completely insane. I used to get the big bogus Mopar B body bumpers chromed for around $125 each about 6 years ago. They are now over the $500 range each and that's if it is a perfect core you supply them with. Any core that needs work can go over $800. A real ripoff!

[techy5025]

The cost in the powdercoating is in the prep.   All the bolt holes have to
be masked or plugged, some labels I wanted retained also masked, and the
 "vin" number stamped in the frame covered. The quote for the frame alone
was $350.  This includes sand blasting off the old paint(and rust  ) of course.

For all the chrome on the bike minus the pipes and shocks the price was $1900.
Rims $200 each, fenders $180, but all the small stuff (bolts, etc) adds up.  I think
I gave them about 70-80 parts. I could have bought NOS parts to replace them
cheaper for some of the small parts....bolts...but decided to keep as many of the
original parts as possible.  I saw some of their work and it is beautiful so I hope
for great results.  I hope that I can put it all back together without damage.

Jim

[Terry in Australia]

The cost in the powdercoating is in the prep.   All the bolt holes have to
be masked or plugged, some labels I wanted retained also masked, and the
 "vin" number stamped in the frame covered. The quote for the frame alone
was $350.  This includes sand blasting off the old paint(and rust  ) of course.
Jim

Understood mate, but they do all that here too, so I have no idea why it's so expensive on your side of the pond, when labour is cheaper than here in Oz, and there's probably a lot more competition? When everything else in the US is so much cheaper than here, I just find it odd? Cheers, Terry.

[74cb750]

Ok. I am not even going to get into how much the quote was to powder coat my
75 cb750 frame....mainly becasue after I picked myself off the floor, I walked off
in disgust, then promptly forgot the actual price.

Maybe should ship a few Kiwi painters to the USA on H1B visas for better prices.
peace,
michel

[techy5025]

So the KA-CHENG sound masked what the guy quoted you eh...

You really need to wear your leathers for protection when hearing quotes.

Jim

[Ted Nomura]

Ok, I need to know...Ted and the rest of you:
Do you all have your own paint shops/dust free areas or
do you use a local painter?

The local painter I went to (in Walpole NH) wanted $800/tank single color
$1200 for tank/sidecover (two colors)+ extra for any stripes
PLUS this quote does not include the cost of the paint.

My gararge is not dust free enough for me to paint in and the cost
to set it up would probably be prohitbitive....
peace,
michel

I converted part of my garage into a mini-paint booth, complete with plastic covering and air venting. Didn't have to install heatlamps because Las Vegas is hot and dry enough. After painting, I just put the parts in a large dustfree cardboard box and transfer it to outside shed. It usually dries up quickly in a day. I'm planning to build a dedicated paint booth shack someday.
What I miss is that when I was assigned at Edwards AFB for USAF decades ago, they had a paint booth, complete with heat lamps that was large enough to paint a full-size pick-up that you could rent for free!

[dusterdude]

The cost in the powdercoating is in the prep.   All the bolt holes have to
be masked or plugged, some labels I wanted retained also masked, and the
 "vin" number stamped in the frame covered. The quote for the frame alone
was $350.  This includes sand blasting off the old paint(and rust  ) of course.
Jim

Understood mate, but they do all that here too, so I have no idea why it's so expensive on your side of the pond, when labour is cheaper than here in Oz, and there's probably a lot more competition? When everything else in the US is so much cheaper than here, I just find it odd? Cheers, Terry.

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[Terry in Australia]

Nah, we got the EPA here too Dusty, I just think you guys are being taken for a ride, literally. Powdercoating is inexpensive, because there's very little waste, as the unused powder is recycled. I almost bought a powdercoating business years ago, and was impressed with how the whole system worked.

The frame is hung on a rack in a booth, and an electrical charge is passed through the frame. The powder is sprayed onto the frame, and any excess powder is sucked up into a "cyclone" unit and deposited back into "catch bins" for later use. Because of this, there is virtually no waste, and nothing goes up into the atmosphere to annoy the EPA.

If you think about it, you can buy a powdercoated outdoor setting or kids play-gym in a range of colors for for less than a couple of hundred bucks, so why are you getting quoted 600+ just to powdercoat your frame? I'll tell you now, it's not the EPA who's screwing you.................   

[supersport_CB400F]

I got all the metal parts on my bike coated for 180 quid and the dogs bollocks quality or the guy would have got them up his butt ….it’s better and cheaper than painting or at least it should be, if your not being ripped off by some prick in the powder coating shop 

[Terry in Australia]

I got all the metal parts on my bike coated for 180 quid and the dogs bollocks quality or the guy would have got them up his butt ….it’s better and cheaper than painting or at least it should be, if your not being ripped off by some prick in the powder coating shop 

Well that's better than our American cousins Dave, but you're still getting hosed over for that price, I can get two complete frames blasted and coated for that price, and still have enough for a slab of Strongbow on the way home! Cheers, Terry.

[supersport_CB400F]

Tel half the money went to Liz and her bloody VAT

[supersport_CB400F]

Tel almost half the money went to Liz   and her bloody VAT and I gave the guy a bung for a nice job on 29 parts the whole metal content of the bike thats black.......sod the strongbow mate try Merrydown it's necter

[Terry in Australia]

Tel almost half the money went to Liz   and her bloody VAT and I gave the guy a bung for a nice job on 29 parts the whole metal content of the bike thats black.......sod the strongbow mate try Merrydown it's necter

Merrydown eh? I'll see if I can find some mate, although the strongbow I drink here is made in Oz with beautiful Aussie apples and pears, and I'm rather impressed with the flavour! Cheers, Terry.