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Chain & Sprockets FAQ
« on: April 12, 2005, 01:23:04 AM »
Please use this article to read / post any frequently asked questions about chains & sprockets.

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Re: Chain & Sprockets FAQ
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2005, 01:13:20 AM »
O-Ring, X-Ring, 520, 530 ???  Answers to be found here. (Thanks Ibsen)

www.ekchain.com/faqs.htm

www.gizmology.net/sprockets.htm

I have been running EK o-ring chains with a rivetted master link for a number of years, and the quality is good.
But if you have the extra money to spend, go for the x-ring chain.

Also RK chains are regarded as good quality chains:

www.mawonline.com/rk.htm

www.sudco.com/chain.html

JT sprockets are good quality sprockets. And they should have the sprockets for most SOCH4's.

www.jtsprockets.com/47.0.html

And you can also get aluminium sprockets and RK chains here:

www.sprocketspecialists.com/html/sprocketmain.shtml
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How to Measure Chain Wear
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2005, 02:42:49 AM »
Pinched this from "Doc" on the Honda Owners Club Tech Board (http://the-stable.lancs.ac.uk/~esarie/honda/techbrd.htm):

Chain wear occurs at the pivots, they get sloppy, the metal in the chain doesn't actually stretch (it does at first, but that is minimal). What this does is make the chain pitch not match the sprocket teeth, sort of. This wears the sprockets down faster.

You can measure this slop by removing the chain and laying it out flat, then pull the chain to take up the slop in tension. Measure 10 links pin to pin and calculate that as a percentage of the chains link when new (determined by the pitch - 530 chains are 5/8 inch from pin to pin, measured from centers). So from one pin center (count) this one as pin zero to the pin center of the tenth one the new chain should be 50/8 or 6 1/4 inches long if it measures 6 3/8 (51/8 that would be 2% elongation). The 30 in 530 is the width between plates, or 3/8 inch.

2 1/2 % stretch and it is replacement time. You should measure stretch over several different segments of the chain as wear isn't even on the chain and you may have what looks like a good chain with a bad spot in it.

I tend to replace chains and sprockets as a set. Some people will change the sprockets every other chain if they show no wear. But if you keep the chain too long the sprockets will be toast.

Useful reading: http://www.dansmc.com/rearchain.htm
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630 to 530 Conversion - one members experience
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2007, 03:11:06 AM »
From Kile:

Hey gang,

I've got a K8, had stock setup (15t front, 41t rear, 630 chain).  I replaced the chain and sprockets about 3 years ago (Feb-2004) with aftermarket parts ordered from the local Honda dealer;  both sprockets were JT - Front was $22, rear was $33, cheap non-O-ring 630 chain was $53.

I didn't take very good care of the chain, hardly ever lubed it - finally got to the point where tightening it was good for about 10 miles, then had to tighten it again...

So I started looking online last week, comparing prices.  Most of the prices were right in line with what it cost for the local shop to order (as mentioned previously in this thread).  However, the folks at the local Honda shop were not real helpful with what I needed this time around, so I headed over to the Yamaha shop.  They were more than happy to help.  Prices were equivalent, and they said they could have the parts in the next day.  Cool!

In reading many posts online here, I had been thinking of the 630 to 530 conversion, and decided to give it a whirl.  The 15/41 630 setup has a 2.73 ratio.  Closest I could get in a 530 was an 18/48 (2.67 ratio).  I was wanting to gear it down a bit to reduce RPM's on the highway, so that sounded good.  Because the front sprockets were only $22, I ordered a 17t and an 18t, along with the 48t rear.  (Was going to get a 46t rear too, but at $40 each, one was enough for now.  Was thinking I could swap out sprockets until I got just the right feel...)  Chain is an RK 530XSO, 110 link.  Had to cut down to 104 links.  (As an aside: the 630 chain I just took off the bike was 86 links.  To show how bad the chain was after 3 years of no lube, after I took it off the bike and measured, it was 64.25 inches long compressed, 66.5 inches long stretched!  Yikes!  Each tooth on the rear sprocket had two points from the chain-wear.)

Before swapping the sprockets/chain, I wanted to compare RPM's at different speeds.  With the 15/41/630 setup, the bike spun in 5th at 70MPH, 5300RPM.  With the 18/48/530 setup, 70 MPH in 5th is at 5200RPM.  In 2nd, the 15/41 would hit 67 at redline (8500), the 18/48 got up to 70MPH at 8500RPM.

So not a whole lot of difference.  I imagine if I put a 46t rear (giving a 2.56 ratio), it would drop me down to about 5000 RPM at 70MPH.  Almost not worth the hassle.

One difference between the 530 chain and the 630 chain was the master link.  The 630 had the clip, the 530 has rivets.  I had to borrow a chain rivet tool from the Suzuki shop (spreading my business around, you know - actually it was a proximity thing...)  I can't say I'm very comfortable with the whole rivet thing - it just didn't feel like it is on tight/right.  I think I'll stop by one of the shops to have it checked tomorrow.  All I can think about now is that link coming loose and wrapping the chain around the tire.

For reference sake, here is the part# info:
Old setup:
JTF331.15T - Front
JTR333.41T - Rear
EK630 - 92 Chain

New setup:
JTF288.18T - Front
JTR284.48T - Rear
530XSOZ1-110RK Chain

The 530 stuff went on without any additional spacers/washers/etc.  All seemed to fit real nice.  The 18t front sprocket was a little bit thicker than the 15t it replaced, but it fit real nice on the drive shaft.

Sorry for the long post - was trying to provide all the info I was looking for over the last few weeks in getting ready for my conversion/replacement.  Hopefully somebody will find the info usefull.

Cheers!

- Kile


More:

I don't see any immediate benefit of witching to 530 if you've got brand new 630 chain/sprockets.

One of the other posts indicated that running a 530 setup was going to result in less HP lost due to the 630 chain and sprocket weight.  Mine feels smoother now, but I don't notice any extra oomph.  I'm attributing the smoothness to going from a non-Oring chain with over 2" of slack to a nice new tight O-ring chain.  I imagine I'd have gotten more "kick" if I had gone to a different ratio, but then, I could have done that in 630 as well.  If you're interested in changing the ratios, you'll just have more options in the 530.

If you're interested in making the swap, I'd wait until you need a new chain (or were interested in gearing up/down because you weren't happy with what your current 14/43 was giving you).  Just my opinion...

On another note, I took the chain rivet tool back to the shop and asked them to come look at the Master Link because I wasn't exactly comfortable with my handy-work.  They had a chuckle.  I crimped the link too hard.  The rivets looked ok, but one of the rubber O-rings was squished and sticking out beyond where it should have been.  Fortunately, they had clip-style master links for the chain I bought.  I'll be taking the rivetted one off and replacing it tonight.

If you're going to change from the 630 to the 530, be aware that many (most?) of the 530 chains come with the rivet masterlink.  You'll need a rivet tool, or order the clip-style masterlink when you buy the chain.

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Chain fitment guide, really useful!
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2009, 04:07:09 PM »
I have been having all sorts of issued trying to get the correct chain size for one of my bikes and stumbled across this great little site with sizes for all makes and models.
Not sure where it should go on here Moderators but damn useful if you are looking.
Would ahve saved a few $$ if I had this last week and bought the right chain. :(

http://www.reginachain.it/eng/products/motorcycles.shtml
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