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Re: Where to get spark plug caps?
« Reply #25 on: July 22, 2009, 01:17:46 PM »
AFAIK, there is no difference between the NGK caps you can buy today and the ones that came on our bikes from the factory (aside from possibly not being able to find 10k caps versus 5k).  That's where the confusion is coming in.  The only rubber parts of the original plastic plug caps were the removable rubber sealing pieces on each end.  The same pieces that should come with any new caps that you can buy today. 

It's entirely possible that I'm wrong, but all the plug caps I've ever replaced on all the old Hondas I've ever owned all looked exactly the same as the new ones I replaced them with, aside from just looking a lot older. 

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Re: Where to get spark plug caps?
« Reply #26 on: July 22, 2009, 01:19:14 PM »
O.K., this is what CMS sells as OEM.

OEM#: 30700-MC8-000

http://images.cmsnl.com/img/products/cap-noise-supr_big30700MC8000-01_f3b6.jpg

NGK and '05F' indicates these are 5 KOhms.
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Re: Where to get spark plug caps?
« Reply #27 on: July 22, 2009, 03:09:02 PM »
Yeah, by OEM I mean what you would get by ordering through a dealership with the Honda part number. All the aftermarket NGK's (stuff Z1 carries) that I've seen look slightly different, with NGK printed in white and the resistance printed somewhere. My OEM set on my 74 has no outside markings.
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Re: Where to get spark plug caps?
« Reply #28 on: July 22, 2009, 03:58:55 PM »
i modified that post i made earlier today, i originally said they were covered with rubber and forgot that is not true. What i meant to say is what boxnife said. They are just plain black and look like a different style. I wouldnt mind getting some long plug caps for 2 and 3. I hate how hard it is to get those buggers out sometimes.

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Re: Where to get spark plug caps?
« Reply #29 on: July 22, 2009, 07:26:20 PM »
Geez, could I be that lucky? Just replaced mine a few weeks ago. Picked them up from my neighborhood cycle shop. Didn't even have to go the Honda dealer.

Ooops! Took a closer look and all four I got recently are 5 ohm. Same boat we're all in.
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Re: Where to get spark plug caps?
« Reply #30 on: July 22, 2009, 08:04:18 PM »
hondaman sent this to me earlier, he couldnt find the thread but i just sent him the link to it so he will prolly be comment more about this later but here is what he said in a short answer earlier
"The resistance should be in the range of 2k ohms minimum to 10k ohms maximum. Honda's own caps are about 6k-7k when new, and should be replaced when they get over 10k ohms. The NGK, at 5k. are fine."

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Re: Where to get spark plug caps?
« Reply #31 on: July 22, 2009, 10:24:41 PM »
Here's the poop behind the ohms rating for these coils and caps:

Intended coil discharge time: 1.1ms-1.6mS range (shorter on 500/550/750F and late 750K engines, due to hemi chamber, longer on swirl-charge engines like early 750K).

Coil wattage: about 24 watts at 1500 RPM, 15 watts at 8500 RPM.

Discharge voltage: 6.5k to 7.5k volts, stock.

Picking all numbers right in the middle, as a typical designer might do:

19.5 watts / 7000 volts = 2.79 mA maximum spark current available, able to "pump" the spark into up to 2.5 megohms. (This is important for starting the spark across the gap, or "setting up the plasma field" as it was once called, long ago...)

If spark discharge time is supposed to be 1.35mS, then the resistance has to slow the discharge of the coil's inductance while it tries to pump this current to the sparkplug.
So, we take the watts (19.5) and divide it by discharge time (.00135) and get the ideal discharge watt-second load of 14,444.4 ohms.

Now...this ohms must be split between the sparkplug and something else (in this case, the resistor cap or wire), because the plug starts at a very high resistance (like 1.5 megohms) until it builds up the plasma field that will guide the spark across the gap, then it drops to about 2000 ohms during the discharge itself (i.e., the actual spark jump event) because the plasma field acts like a conductor of sorts. So, it's not a strict, linear resistance arrangement: you're trying to hit a moving resistance target while the coil is discharging. This changing resistance, when drawn in a graph, looks like your bike's speed when hitting the brakes hard: it begins to stop at one rate, then stops harder as the tires bite and heat and the brakes get a more solid grip.

So, Honda's engineers elected to split the ohms in the middle, too, at about 14.444k/2 = 7.222k, and their OEM plug caps fell into the range of about 6-8K with their production tolerances, circa 1970 or so.

This translates to about 7.5mm of spark gap in the open air, which is precisely what their Honda Electrical Testers of the era used to have for us to check coils with: the spark had to jump at least 6.5mm, and typically would reach about 8mm.

In actual use, a 2k resistance (like 12" of Dyna suppression wire) will still produce most of a 50/50 spark transfer to the plug gap, although the spark will be shorter duration (like .9 to 1.1 ms), while heating up the wire a little bit and slowly causing it to burn out. Not to worry: Dyna coils have replaceable wires.

A 10K resistance is actually Honda's upper spec limit, requiring cap replacement. It will cause a delayed spark start, which shortens the actual jumping time for the arc, and in wet conditions can cause the spark to exit to other places than just into the plug.

A 5k resistance is pretty close to Honda's original plan. Coils that came out on other Japanese bikes in the 1980s had fewer turns ratios (on bikes with bigger alternators), which are cheaper to build. The electronic ignitions were used to support the higher currents of these coils with no troubles, because points would burn up faster (witness points life with Dyna 3-ohm coils as an example).

So, the NGK 5k caps are a good choice, given our current parts supply situation.  ;)
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Re: Where to get spark plug caps?
« Reply #32 on: July 22, 2009, 10:41:11 PM »
haha figured we had asked the right person for an explanation, except I think you might have to have an electrical engineering degree to understand all but the last sentence of that post haha.
I guess I will be going back to the bike stores to get the 5ks after all

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Re: Where to get spark plug caps?
« Reply #33 on: July 22, 2009, 10:49:01 PM »
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Re: Where to get spark plug caps?
« Reply #34 on: July 22, 2009, 11:26:51 PM »
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So, the NGK 5k caps are a good choice, given our current parts supply situation.

I am by no means an electrician. I am in NDT and have training in numerous diciplines of NDT. I know 10K's of resistance is double the resistance of 5K. Why would anyone want to use non-resistor plugs, but then want a higher resistor cap?

Seriously. I do not know that much about electricity. My only formal training of electricity has to do with eddy current and magnetic particle inspection so I have an unerstanding of electricity and how it flows, so please enlighten me on motorcycle aplications.

I need to replace the caps and plugs on my '78 550 four, but before so, I want to make sure I buy the best of whatever I need to buy.

If 10K is better than 5K, why should I buy non-resister plugs when essentially I could buy 5K caps and resistor plugs or 10k caps and essentially have the same thing.


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Re: Where to get spark plug caps?
« Reply #35 on: July 23, 2009, 07:00:59 AM »
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So, the NGK 5k caps are a good choice, given our current parts supply situation.

I am by no means an electrician. I am in NDT and have training in numerous diciplines of NDT. I know 10K's of resistance is double the resistance of 5K. Why would anyone want to use non-resistor plugs, but then want a higher resistor cap?

Seriously. I do not know that much about electricity. My only formal training of electricity has to do with eddy current and magnetic particle inspection so I have an unerstanding of electricity and how it flows, so please enlighten me on motorcycle aplications.

I need to replace the caps and plugs on my '78 550 four, but before so, I want to make sure I buy the best of whatever I need to buy.

If 10K is better than 5K, why should I buy non-resister plugs when essentially I could buy 5K caps and resistor plugs or 10k caps and essentially have the same thing.


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In terms of a normal, simple electrical circuit, you would be correct with those thoughts.
But...this is high voltage, and spark discharge. There is not much about it that is simple or straightforward. That's probably why it is so misunderstood by lots of folks.

In fact, there is not a single thing about a Kettering spark circuit that is linear or continuous: Kettering did a fine job of quantitizing all this stuff so engineers could use it to design good spark ignition systems. He was a smart guy!  :D
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Re: Where to get spark plug caps?
« Reply #36 on: July 23, 2009, 07:27:39 AM »
I was using 3 ohm dyna coils with the suppression wire with no resistor caps, didn't like the results.

This go around when I changed the wires I used solid copper wires and NGK resistor caps- much better results.


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Re: Where to get spark plug caps?
« Reply #37 on: July 23, 2009, 11:04:57 PM »
So, Honda's engineers elected to split the ohms in the middle, too, at about 14.444k/2 = 7.222k, and their OEM plug caps fell into the range of about 6-8K with their production tolerances, circa 1970 or so.
Hmm....  Even 20% resistors in the 10K caps would make the resistors no less than 8K.  I was under the impression (I swear I saw an NGK spec some time back) the resistor spec was 10% tolerance. ???    This would make a 10K cap 9K minimum and 11K maximum.
All my 550s have plug caps that measure no less than 9.5K ohms.  Most are right at 10K.  I've never seen them fail with use going to a lower value.  When they get above about 11 K, though, I've replaced them.
Now, if Honda is no longer distributing the original spec parts...



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Re: Where to get spark plug caps?
« Reply #38 on: July 24, 2009, 07:50:36 PM »
So, Honda's engineers elected to split the ohms in the middle, too, at about 14.444k/2 = 7.222k, and their OEM plug caps fell into the range of about 6-8K with their production tolerances, circa 1970 or so.
Hmm....  Even 20% resistors in the 10K caps would make the resistors no less than 8K.  I was under the impression (I swear I saw an NGK spec some time back) the resistor spec was 10% tolerance. ???    This would make a 10K cap 9K minimum and 11K maximum.
All my 550s have plug caps that measure no less than 9.5K ohms.  Most are right at 10K.  I've never seen them fail with use going to a lower value.  When they get above about 11 K, though, I've replaced them.
Now, if Honda is no longer distributing the original spec parts...





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You may be right on the money with the 550 parts: I have most of my notes and stuff from the 1969-1973 era of the 450/750/500 bikes. The 550 was just coming out when I quit doing this (anal) note-keeping business and moved to Colorado.

I know the 550 coils have a different turns ratio from the 750 coils (weren't you the one who found this info for us?), so the resistance would follow that ratio, in general, for a new design. If, for instance, the ratio was lower, the resistance of the cap would have to be higher to support the spark buildup "bridge" for the plasma. The only other alternative would be to use a wider spark gap, but I know Honda stayed with the same .025"-.028" spec on those engines...that would seem to imply a different turns ratio. This would also lower the coil's power consumption, and would also lower the effective RPM spread: the earlier coils are good to 12k RPM, while the 500 coils I have (2 sets) droop quite a bit after about 10,200 RPM. Lower turns ratios are also cheaper to make...

I have one of these CB500 sets (NOS, circa 1973) on my 750 now, for experimentation this year: I'm finding that the plugs don't stay as clean as they did with the 750 coils. It makes me wonder if that isn't one reason why the 500/550 had the #7 plugs instead of the #8 heat range, because all other Fours from Kawis of that era used the #7 heat range plugs, and their coils fade big time after 9k RPM. And, they have turns ratios like 36:1 (13,000 ohm secondaries), with 4.5 ohm primaries. (Honda's were more like 40:1 ratios in the 1969-1973 era).

If the 550 coils have 10,000 ohm secondaries, then a combination of the 5k cap and an additional 5k ohms in a resistor plug (like DR8ES-L) would also make a good combination. This would lower the heating in the coil, making for better voltage at higher RPM. Some of the 750s (K3 and later, notably) had 10,000 ohm secondaries, while the earlier ones tended to run in the 8k-9.5k range. Of the 3 CB750 coils I have on hand (2 are the 2-3 coil, one is the 1-4 coil and one extra 1-4 is known bad), all are 1971-72 era and measure around 9k ohm secondaries.
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Re: Where to get spark plug caps?
« Reply #39 on: July 25, 2009, 12:22:42 AM »
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..., because all other Fours from Kawis of that era used the #7 heat range plugs...


I suppose you meant to write  ..., because all other Fours from Kawis of that era used the #8 heat range plugs...

BTW, in Europe most 500/550 riders used D8ES-L plugs and for the 500 "K1" Honda France even recommended them as "auto-nettoyantes" (self-cleaning).

Another question: why is the 400 the only Four with an advised 0,7 - 0,8 mm plug gap, where all the others have 0,6 - 0,7mm recommended?

Here are some windingratio's:

primary     CB750/K1/K2      380 wdg.
               CB350/500         420 wdg.
secundary CB750/K1/K2   15000 wdg.
               CB350/500      13000 wdg.

There is no mentioning of diameter though...


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Re: Where to get spark plug caps?
« Reply #40 on: July 25, 2009, 12:36:00 AM »
From the Cb750 Shop manual pg 86 section 7-2:
Says the coil has 380 turns primary and 15,000 turns secondary

From the CB500-550 Shop manual Pg 89  Ignition coil:
Says the coil has 420 turns primary and 13000 turns for the secondary.

I found some 550 coils (2 sets) out in my parts bins.   So, I measured the secondaries with my Fluke 73 meter.
This is straight DC resistance, not impedance.
14.50 KΩ
14.92 KΩ
14.89 KΩ
46.70 KΩ  (oops, I know why this set isn't on a bike!  It probably came off my 74)
There were 6 plug caps on these sets.  Since I had everything on the bench I measured those, too.

11.02 KΩ
11.29 KΩ
9.56 KΩ
11.2 KΩ
10.56 KΩ  (This one has NICHIWA XD10F molded into it.)
8.42  KΩ (<--This one, coincidentally was on the above bad coil!)  Draw your own conclusions about that.  Anyway, it is curious and the lowest resistance plug cap I've measured on a 550.  Maybe Honda did use 20% resistors?

I always wondered if the resistor in the spark plug had a standardized value.  Is 5kΩ it?  If so, then a reasonable solution is to use the 5K plug caps with Resistor plugs on the 550.  Though I can't say I'm happy about such a change.  Me being stodgy and all.  ;)

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Re: Where to get spark plug caps?
« Reply #41 on: July 25, 2009, 12:39:32 AM »
So, HM, I am extrapolating from your extensive write-up, that you would want the "total" resistance in the caps/plugs to be the same as the DC resistance of the secondary winding of the coil?
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Re: Where to get spark plug caps?
« Reply #42 on: July 25, 2009, 12:44:23 AM »
wow this has turned into much more than i thought it would haha and it getting a little more technical for me. What I am wondering now is if just the 5k plugs would be ok or should they be added to resistor plugs too.

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Re: Where to get spark plug caps?
« Reply #43 on: July 25, 2009, 06:29:24 AM »
From the Cb750 Shop manual pg 86 section 7-2:
Says the coil has 380 turns primary and 15,000 turns secondary

From the CB500-550 Shop manual Pg 89  Ignition coil:
Says the coil has 420 turns primary and 13000 turns for the secondary.

I found some 550 coils (2 sets) out in my parts bins.   So, I measured the secondaries with my Fluke 73 meter.
This is straight DC resistance, not impedance.
14.50 KΩ
14.92 KΩ
14.89 KΩ
46.70 KΩ  (oops, I know why this set isn't on a bike!  It probably came off my 74)
There were 6 plug caps on these sets.  Since I had everything on the bench I measured those, too.

11.02 KΩ
11.29 KΩ
9.56 KΩ
11.2 KΩ
10.56 KΩ  (This one has NICHIWA XD10F molded into it.)
8.42  KΩ (<--This one, coincidentally was on the above bad coil!)  Draw your own conclusions about that.  Anyway, it is curious and the lowest resistance plug cap I've measured on a 550.  Maybe Honda did use 20% resistors?

I always wondered if the resistor in the spark plug had a standardized value.  Is 5kΩ it?  If so, then a reasonable solution is to use the 5K plug caps with Resistor plugs on the 550.  Though I can't say I'm happy about such a change.  Me being stodgy and all.  ;)



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I tore apart a few of the resistor caps some years ago, curious about the resistor's construction. It is just a carbon cartridge in between the stud and the spring-sided socket, made from brass. In the old ones, it was a turned piece of brass in two halves that encapsulated the carbon pellet: in the newer ones it was a stamped sheet metal part of brass with the pellet captured inside. The pellet was insulated around the sides so the current entered and left on the ends at the contacts. Under a magnifying glass ( I knew one of these was higer-than-normal resistance, one was lower) I saw how they break down to become higher resistance: the ends of the pellet burn and crumble and the pressure of the contacts on the ends becomes weak. When I brushed off the ends and rebent the little contacts, the unit became 7K ohms or so, again. On the one where the resistance was low, the burned carbon granules had worked their way along the sides of the pellet's holder (sheet metal) piece, and were providing a second pathway around the main one, like 2 resistors in parallel. Brushing away that debris restored that one to like-spec value, too. It all made perfect sense...just not repairable.

I later bought and broke open a non-resistor unit because I HAD to know: it just has a piece of copper (or maybe it's brass) in place of the resistor pellet, with the springy contacts on each end making connections to it. The rest of the design is identical to the resistor type, otherwise.

So, I'm surmising that around the time of the 550 introduction, Honda started making less unique, more 'standardized' coil parts, with the 6k-7.5k caps being an old Honda standard before that. The 10K resistors you've noted must be a part of this change. The plugs I've measured, being 5k, and the NGK caps I have, also 5k, would stack up to a similar amount: on some recent CB650 visitors here, I've noticed their bikes have this combination, stock.

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Re: Where to get spark plug caps?
« Reply #44 on: July 25, 2009, 06:38:45 AM »
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..., because all other Fours from Kawis of that era used the #7 heat range plugs...


I suppose you meant to write  ..., because all other Fours from Kawis of that era used the #8 heat range plugs...

BTW, in Europe most 500/550 riders used D8ES-L plugs and for the 500 "K1" Honda France even recommended them as "auto-nettoyantes" (self-cleaning).

Another question: why is the 400 the only Four with an advised 0,7 - 0,8 mm plug gap, where all the others have 0,6 - 0,7mm recommended?

Here are some windingratio's:

primary     CB750/K1/K2      380 wdg.
               CB350/500         420 wdg.
secundary CB750/K1/K2   15000 wdg.
               CB350/500      13000 wdg.

There is no mentioning of diameter though...




Umm...no, here in the States (and in the Kawi manuals I still have), they plainly show #7 heat range plugs. And, all of the Kawi Fours I've worked on this year are running #7 plugs, too, both KZ650 and KZ1000 of the mid-to-late 1970s era.  ?

The D8ES-L plug was introduced by NGK (rumored to be at Honda's request) as an extended-tip design with a #8 heat range body. This makes the tip run a little hotter while not forcing the engine to also run hotter, so it tends to keep the tip cleaner.

In the 1970s (and maybe still today?) NGK was a subsidiary of Nippon Denso. ND also introduced, at the same time as the D8ES-L plug, a series called the "Hot U" plugs. These have exchange numbers of X24ES-U for the D8ES-L and X22ES-U for the D7ES plugs. These unique plugs have an even MORE extended tip, which will always provide more midrange torque (and does, on these bikes) in a given engine, and it will stay cleaner, too, than a normal-reach  plug. ND added this U-shaped ground electrode to it, I think for marketing purposes, to make it distainct. However...I have some of these plugs that I have repeatedly sandblasted and reused for almost 20 years, now: the ground electrodes show no electrical erosion on them at all. The NGK plugs show flattened places where the spark lands on the electrode.

About the 400: doesn't it have electronic ignition? Those systems typically provide a hotter spark coil voltage to cover the lesser duration of the spark when using coil pickups instead of points with dwell. Hotter coils let you open the plug gap to try to "touch" more of the mixture at ignition time.

Generally, points systems provide a longer spark discharge (1.2ms to 2.0mS) than typical single-pickup systems (.08mS to 1.2mS). So, the coils are often made "hotter" to try to boost the spark energy. In the case of swirl-charge engines or hemi-head engines, this shorter spark is undesireable, because a longer spark ignites more of the turbulent mixture in the cylinder, making more power and a cleaner burn. This is one reason why, for example, switching from points to a Dyna 'S' trigger (on SOHC bikes) will often result in less power, especially at high RPM, than properly set up points can provide: you must also add the Dyna coils, with their higher voltage, to offset the difference. Even then, the Honda coils with points (or my box) usually work better for these bikes.

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Re: Where to get spark plug caps?
« Reply #45 on: July 25, 2009, 07:04:00 AM »
So, HM, I am extrapolating from your extensive write-up, that you would want the "total" resistance in the caps/plugs to be the same as the DC resistance of the secondary winding of the coil?

Well, like TT's notes above show, the DC resistance is a lot lower than thousands of ohms. Don't confuse turns ratios with ohms?

It also appears, from TT's research, that Honda went to the 10k ohms values on the later 550 design. If this coincides with the 420:13000 turns ratio coils, too, then I'd say that using either the 10K NGK caps, or else a 5K cap and 5k plug DR8ES-L would be a good setup.

It's interesting that the DR8ES-L plug has recently appeared: the series has been gone for years. It must be used in a modern sprotbike. This heatrange is perfect for the old SOHC4 engines, so if lots of us switched to using this plug, with either 5k caps on the 550 or non-resistor caps on the 500/750, we'd probably all experience less plug fouling, like in the 1970s and '80s.

On my 750, I use the (still good) Honda 7K caps and the X24ES-U ND plug with stellar results. If I lose my caps, I'll use the NGK 5k caps with these coils and plugs. I'm about to install my Dyna 3-ohm coils anyway, but I know these have a shorter-than-Honda discharge time (1.2mS, where the Honda coils are 1.5mS to 1.6mS), so I will use Dyna's suppression wires (2k ohms) plus the NGK 5K caps, to reach the 7K number and try to cause a higher spark build. Then I can use a gap on the order of .040" or maybe a little more, which will boost the midrange torque for those coils.

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Re: Where to get spark plug caps?
« Reply #46 on: July 25, 2009, 10:03:02 AM »
I'm about to install my Dyna 3-ohm coils anyway, but I know these have a shorter-than-Honda discharge time (1.2mS, where the Honda coils are 1.5mS to 1.6mS), so I will use Dyna's suppression wires (2k ohms) plus the NGK 5K caps, to reach the 7K number and try to cause a higher spark build. Then I can use a gap on the order of .040" or maybe a little more, which will boost the midrange torque for those coils.


I have Dyna 5ohm coils with Dyna-S ignition, NGK 5ohm caps and plugs gapped at .035" on my K1.  Would you recommend switching to suppression plug wires and increasing the gap to .040" with this set-up? 

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Re: Where to get spark plug caps?
« Reply #47 on: July 25, 2009, 10:12:52 AM »
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Well, like TT's notes above show, the DC resistance is a lot lower than thousands of ohms. Don't confuse turns ratios with ohms?

I was referring to the secondary resistance, as TT noted:

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This is straight DC resistance, not impedance.
14.50 KΩ
14.92 KΩ
14.89 KΩ

Let's just call it an average of 15k ohms.

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There were 6 plug caps on these sets.  Since I had everything on the bench I measured those, too.

11.02 KΩ
11.29 KΩ
9.56 KΩ
11.2 KΩ

Call it an average of 11k ohms.

Since you have two resistors per coil (one per plug) the total cap resistance would be 11k * 2 = 22k ohms. It's a bit higher than the secondary resistance, however the inductive impedence would be higher...

Leaning on my amateur radio days, I can't help to think of impedance matching antennas; you want the same impedance at the antenna and through the coax as you have at the transmitter. In other words, the transmitter's output impedance is 50 ohms. The coax cable has to have an impedance of 50 ohms, and the antenna should have an impedance of 50 ohms (as close as you can get it, freq dependent). This maximizes the power output of the system.

I wonder if the same idea could/should be applied to ignition coils...
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Re: Where to get spark plug caps?
« Reply #48 on: July 25, 2009, 10:15:15 AM »
Is there not a DR7ES-L plug?
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Re: Where to get spark plug caps?
« Reply #49 on: July 25, 2009, 10:35:00 AM »
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Is there not a DR7ES-L plug?

No, there is (still?) a DR8ES-L plug. but I don't know if there is any difference with the DR8EA plug.
It seems DR7ES is superseded by DR7EA. Again, I don't know if there's any difference.

I agree with Hondaman: Denso is the better plug. Guess what brand is hard to find here. NGK you can buy everywhere and that's the way it is.
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