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Closed on Sundays! Grrrr!!
« on: July 26, 2009, 01:18:05 PM »
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I get the kid fed and changed, make sure I have everything in the diaper bag I may need in case of a blow-out, strap him into the car seat, and we're off to go peruse the aisles of our favorite motorcycle accessory/parts/apparel shop and to pick up a new battery for the 360, a new tail light for the 550, and to see what they have on clearance.  We drive all the way down there, pull into the parking lot, and realize "#$%*, it's Sunday!". >:( >:(

I realize it's a quaint tradition that bike shops are closed on Sundays because that's when the employees, and presumably the customers are out riding, but come on!  In any major city, and a decent sized shop, there are going to be more than enough people who would be happy to work on Sunday, and more than enough customers who may not be able to go riding, or would just prefer to stay in the garage and install the parts they just bought from the shop!  

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I take partial blame for this because this same thing happens at least twice a year.  I just don't pay attention to what day it is.  All I know or care about is that I have the day off and I want buy some parts and work on my bikes.  I'll have to talk to the store manager about this the next time I'm in there.  No, I won't get all pissy at him/her about their choice of operating days/hours (I work in retail, so I know what it's like), but I will let them know that there have been numerous times over the past several years that I made it all the way down to their store to spend money, only to go back home disappointed because they were closed, and ended up ordering those parts on the internet instead.  

Is the "closed on Sundays" thing still common in your area?  


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Re: Closed on Sundays! Grrrr!!
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2009, 02:12:30 PM »
In Spain, opening hours are regionally chosen. It depends on where you live. In Madrid, one of the more "advanced", shops are allowed to open 16 sundays a year. Each shop decides which ones, but generally, small shops doesn't open at Sundays, and big shopping malls open every first sunday of every month -we don't have a weekly paycheck but a monthly paycheck, thus shopping malls open those sundays when people have fresh money in the bank.

Until now shops have been allowed to open a maximum of 12 hours a day. Small shops generally close from 14:00 to 17:00, customers don't go shopping at those times. Shopping malls use to open from 10:00 to 22:00, now they have been allowed to open 14 hours a day and it seems that the lobbies will get complete freedom of opening hours soon.

Small shops oppose to freedom on the grounds that they don't have the resources to counteract. I for one have gone shopping on sundays quite a few times, and many times it is very convenient. But I agree that employees would love to have some sundays to spend time with their families, and at the end you get used to closed sundays and you learn to buy what you could need beforehand.

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« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2009, 02:46:34 PM »
I appreciate your thoughts, Raúl.  Being an American, I have to say it's strange to think of store hours being set regionally. 

When I was a kid (in the 80's), it was still fairly common for a lot of stores to be closed on Sundays.  I remember going to the shopping mall on Sunday with my mom to teach my older sister how to drive because of the huge, empty parking lot.  But that's a thing of the past, now.  Some states still require liquor stores to be closed on Sunday (old blue laws), but most other retailers are open 7 days a week in large cities.  The bike shop is the only retail establishment I frequent that is still closed on Sunday. 

If it were common for stores to be closed on Sunday I would be prepared for it and get what I need before then, but it's not anymore.  Maybe if I shopped there more often the schedule would be in the back of my mind, but that's just not the case.  IMO it's a relic of the past, and I honestly think that this particular store would see an increase in sales if they were open on Sundays.   

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« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2009, 03:02:10 PM »
I live in the Washington D.C. suburbs, inside the infamous Beltway.  Bike shops don't get much bigger than ours.  Always been closed on Sundays.  And Mondays from Oct to May.  The one I didn't quite understand was when the local shop (one where I worked at for 12 or so years) decided to close the week between Christmas and New Years.  All those riders who wanted to spend Christmas money.  It only was done like that for about 3 years.  I guess they wised up.
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Re: Closed on Sundays! Grrrr!!
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2009, 03:34:06 PM »
Here in Illinois, all car and bike dealerships are required to be closed...another dumb law as far as I'm concerned.  Look at it this way, when are most people available to go car and/or bike shopping???  on the weekends maybe?  Wouldn't it make sense to open these businesses on the weekend? 
Another peeve of mine is the local bike shop is open from 10 am to 5:30pm two days of the week, 10 to 7:30 the other 4 days, and close early on Saturday too.  They close so darned early, it's hard for me to get there sometimes.  Since when are there people out shopping for bikes at 10 am during the week?  If they wanted to keep the hours for the mechanics, fine but keep the store front open later.
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« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2009, 03:38:11 PM »
This isn't even a dealership I'm talking about.  Strictly accessories, parts, and apparel, so no laws apply to them at all.  It's completely up to them when they want to be open. 

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« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2009, 04:17:47 PM »
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Re: Closed on Sundays! Grrrr!!
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2009, 04:29:39 PM »
I think it's a 'generally accepted' regional thing.  In WI, everywhere opens at 8.  McDonalds and other fast food stuff is open at 5,  Most shops are closed Sunday unless they're big chains.

Here, most things open at 8, fast food at 7.  Many shops open Sunday unless they're really small.
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« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2009, 06:24:20 PM »
I guess the recession cant be so bad if they are closed on Sunday...or close early on Saturday or whenever. If times were really tough you stay open longer right?

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Re: Closed on Sundays! Grrrr!!
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2009, 07:04:31 PM »
...unless you have to pay employees for their time, and to do so would somehow damage profit margins, like if business were slow enough on that Sunday that expenses exceeded profit.
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« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2009, 05:58:14 AM »
I believe that the spanish tradition of closed shops on sundays come from the fact that the country was officially catholic during the dictatorship, thus sunday was reserved for rest and churchgoing. It's not so anymore, but some habits are hard to break.

I don't have research to support my theory, but I believe that if all shops are open -say- from 10 to 22, there would be no increase in sales if they open 24-7. Why? Because the money we spend either in food or whims is limited and we already spend it to our own limit, so having the shops open for more time around the clock would not increase sales, it would only increase expenditure on the shop owners.

Over here, only pharmacies and gas stations are allowed to open 24 hours a day -pharmacies on shifts-, and gas stations have become more of convenient stores than of gas stations, for those late-night urgent things such as ice, condoms, tobacco or soft drinks -they could seld booze before but not anymore after 23:00-

So, the question is: are we born to buy or what? Buying used to be a necessity, now it has become a leisure activity. Vending machines were invented to provide 24-7 service. Since shops are run by people, I think we should understand those people have the right to a private life with their own hobbies.

With only a difference between "service shops" and "retail shops". If I run a bike shop and I have plenty of work, it may happen that if I don't work on sunday, I will be overworked come monday morning. Therefore I personally can decide to work on sunday because that's not a rest - my work will be waiting for me on monday. Then I'm personally shifting my rest of today for a future day.

If I run a retail shop, I may have to open it and sit there waiting for customers to come in. If they do, fine, but if they don't, I would have wasted a fine sunday of fishing or whatever. While if I go fishing, customers will come on monday or tuesday so I won't lose any business - hey, how many shops you know sell life-or-death stuff? Most of the things we buy everyday are not that important to change our lives with the fact of either having or not having them at a given moment, except the fact of having us changing our plans for a leisure day....

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Re: Closed on Sundays! Grrrr!!
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2009, 07:26:34 AM »

If I run a retail shop, I may have to open it and sit there waiting for customers to come in. If they do, fine, but if they don't, I would have wasted a fine sunday of fishing or whatever. While if I go fishing, customers will come on monday or tuesday so I won't lose any business - hey, how many shops you know sell life-or-death stuff? Most of the things we buy everyday are not that important to change our lives with the fact of either having or not having them at a given moment, except the fact of having us changing our plans for a leisure day....

This isn't a small store where the owner has to be there every day that the store is open and only gets a day off when it's closed.  If it were I would completely understand and agree that it should be closed at least one day a week so he could have some time off.  As I said before, this closed on sunday thing is a relic of the past, at least in major cities in this country.  For better or worse we live in a 7 day a week society now, and people work all kinds of hours on every day of the week. 

It just seems to me that a store of this size is only hurting itself (and me ;)) by not being open 7 days a week when there are competitors in the same city who are open, or customers can just order online from someone else.  I guess you could just say I have no sympathy for them on this matter because I'm a cold-hearted bastard. ;D  I work in retail, too, and we're open every day of the year except Christmas, but everybody still gets two days off each week. 

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« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2009, 07:57:10 AM »
Hey-some pharmacies here don't sell condoms. It just goes against their religious principles -seriously-. Regardless of how pissed-off people may get, they have the right to decide what and when to sell it, in the same way customers have the right to decide where and to whom to buy from.

If I had a business with a few workers, it would be easy to establish shifts so my business could stay open all week long.

Salaries - fixed cost
Rent - fixed cost.

As they are all fixed costs, it would cost the same to me to open mon-fri than to open mon-sun.

There are some other costs that are variable: lighting. Heating-air conditioning. etc. Depending on the margin you have, it may very well happen that opening sundays is just not worthwile. Also, it may even be wiser to have satisfied, loyal workers than to have satisfied, random customers.

Internet is not an option in this case. If you want something today, sunday, and your shop is closed, internet won't help you. If you need to place your order on wednesday to have it ready for sunday, you can always go to the shop on wednesday and buy what you need.

The good thing about internet shops is that , most of the time, availability is not an issue and shipping costs are cheaper than the time you spend going to buy the stuff yourself. But with many things like bike shops -or coffee shops-, it is not just about the product, but about the "experience". Going there, chatting with the owner, touching tools, smelling grease. Well Gordon, you get the point.


Personally, I've found myself stuck for breaking a part or a tool and being unable to continue my work. That's when personal traits come to the fore and you either get the mallet or cool down, grab a drink, change clothes and do something else while you write the parts list you will buy -or order- tomorrow just because it is 19:55 and it is impossible to get to the shop on time before those bastards go home... ;-)


My sister-in-law has been a hairdresser for +15 years. I remember her at the beginning staying long hours. Then she had to put the rules and not accept some customers after a given hour, as what they wanted done would take a long time that would exceed the closing time. I remember her telling me that there comes a time when she had to stay firm or some women would arrive five minutes before closing time, after having been shopping or chatting, and want some difficult hairdressing done. My sister-in-law told me that there comes a time that every customer will get upset to you and won't come back, so pleasing them just to losing them in a near future was useless. Also, she told me that it is better to select your own customers, the good ones, and do your best to please them before the rest. The more you can please, the better, but if you can't please everyone, please the best ones.

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Re: Closed on Sundays! Grrrr!!
« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2009, 08:26:40 AM »
Internet is not an option in this case. If you want something today, sunday, and your shop is closed, internet won't help you. If you need to place your order on wednesday to have it ready for sunday, you can always go to the shop on wednesday and buy what you need.


I think you're missing part of my point.  The internet IS an option in this case.  Lots of people, myself included due to work/children/etc, may only have one opportunity to make it to the actual store in any given week.  If I go there and it's closed, often times I'll just go back home and order what I need online. 

My heels are dug in on this one, but I always appreciate a good discussion. :)   

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« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2009, 08:31:28 AM »
as a former dealership mechanic, i have to say that mechanics shouldnt have to do 6 day weeks BUT parts departments should be open 7 days, even if just half days on sundays and mondays.
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« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2009, 09:50:56 AM »
In CT all the bike shops that I know of are closed on Sundays, I believe it is a throwback to the "Blue Laws". My favorite shop is also closed on Monday. I undertand why they are closed on Sun and Mon because he has a race team, dirt bikes, that races every Sunday and they end up putting a lot of time in on Monday fixing the teams bikes. The owner basicly gets no days off during race season.
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« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2009, 11:07:43 AM »
In CT all the bike shops that I know of are closed on Sundays, I believe it is a throwback to the "Blue Laws". My favorite shop is also closed on Monday. I undertand why they are closed on Sun and Mon because he has a race team, dirt bikes, that races every Sunday and they end up putting a lot of time in on Monday fixing the teams bikes. The owner basicly gets no days off during race season.

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« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2009, 11:11:58 AM »
I completely get your point Gordon. I myself buy 99% of my parts and tools online, simple because driving into downtown Madrid costs me time -a lot!- and parking and gas doesn't come cheap either, plus it is difficult to get on time after work. Plus you have to do it twice -one to place your order, as you have to put some money down or they don't accept your order-, and another time to pick up your order. Buying online is soooo easy and you get your order delivered at your door.

"customer is king". Hey, if somebody is sleepless and instead of staying in bed he prefers to go to Walmart and do the week shopping and save that time from next day's lunch break, then Walmart is wise for catering for that need.


My point is that neither opening on sundays nor the contrary should be enacted by law, but there should be complete freedom. But I also don't get it about not giving my business to a shop just because they don't open on sundays- they have the right to decide when to open.

What pisses me off really is when they don't respect their own timetable, and it happens here quite often. You get to the shop to find it closed, and see the notice on the door that it should be open for 15 minutes more. Or you arrive first time in the morning to find it closed, and wait until the owner arrives 20 minutes later. That pisses me off, because they set the opening hours but they don't respect them. Or, you get to the shop 10 minutes before the opening hour, they are inside and ready to serve, but won't serve you and will leave you outside, waiting. C'mon....

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« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2009, 11:32:08 AM »
My point is that neither opening on sundays nor the contrary should be enacted by law, but there should be complete freedom. But I also don't get it about not giving my business to a shop just because they don't open on sundays- they have the right to decide when to open.


I completely agree with this.  Store hours and days of business should be decided entirely by management/ownership, regardless of what that store sells.  I never said I was going to stop shopping at this store because of their choice of hours, though.  I will still go there, but if they're not open on a day that I would like to go there then there's a good chance that they'll lose that particular sale because I very well may just get it elsewhere. 

They absolutely have the right to decide when they want to be open, and I have the right to buy what I want somewhere else if they're not open on a day when I have the time to make it down there.  Ultimately it's their loss, not mine, and if they're happy to accept that loss for whatever reason, then that's fine, but I'll still voice my opinion about it to them. 

At my work, as long as a customer is respectful about it I'm happy to hear them tell me when they're displeased with something we're either doing or not doing, because then I'm more informed about how I can make them happy and get more of their money.  I mean that's what running a retail business is all about, isn't it?   

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« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2009, 01:11:44 PM »
Sure thing, if that shop you talk about hears from a decent number of customers how they would like to have it open on sundays, they will surely give it a second thought.

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« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2009, 01:26:52 PM »
MY shop is closed on Sundays.
The furniture store is closed on Sundays.
The state doesn't work on Sundays.

I figured Sunday is a good day to sit around and do absolutely nothing. But if someone called and said hay man I'm at the shop and need this.. I'd be there in a few.
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« Reply #21 on: July 27, 2009, 10:00:19 PM »
local old motorcycle store
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closed sun
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         That's the way things are in Arkansas (far as I know) and HAVE been that way since, as far back as I can remember and that's a prety good ways back!    I'm just happy that we aren't still under the "Blue Law" that Gordon mentioned. If a store was even opened, there was only a certain part of the store that you could buy things from, the rest of the store was roped off.
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« Reply #22 on: July 27, 2009, 10:03:28 PM »
you still cant buy things like ductape or spraypaint before 11am on sundays here. hell, we just got tattoos legalized last year.
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« Reply #23 on: July 28, 2009, 04:39:43 AM »
as a former dealership mechanic, i have to say that mechanics shouldnt have to do 6 day weeks BUT parts departments should be open 7 days, even if just half days on sundays and mondays.
+1 on that one.