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Re: Was anyone else deeply offended by the "You Lie!" outburst?
« Reply #225 on: September 14, 2009, 01:37:44 PM »
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Small craft are much easier to find than you think.
I never said they were impossible to find. Just stating that they may not be as easy to catch as a larger boat. but regardless, if you succeed in closing the borders, they will still come, just by water and as we do not have the manpower to close the borders, we will not have the manpower to stop all the boats. I doubt anyone could disagree with that.

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Re: Was anyone else deeply offended by the "You Lie!" outburst?
« Reply #226 on: September 14, 2009, 01:39:49 PM »
No, we do not have the manpower to stop ALL boats, but like i said, i feel it's easier to find them on water than it is to find them on land.

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Re: Was anyone else deeply offended by the "You Lie!" outburst?
« Reply #227 on: September 14, 2009, 01:42:15 PM »
OMG WTF YUO LIAR!!!11
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Re: Was anyone else deeply offended by the "You Lie!" outburst?
« Reply #228 on: September 14, 2009, 01:55:57 PM »

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Re: Was anyone else deeply offended by the "You Lie!" outburst?
« Reply #229 on: September 14, 2009, 01:57:45 PM »
I just felt like calling someone a liar.
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Re: Was anyone else deeply offended by the "You Lie!" outburst?
« Reply #230 on: September 14, 2009, 02:03:38 PM »
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Re: Was anyone else deeply offended by the "You Lie!" outburst?
« Reply #231 on: September 14, 2009, 02:17:57 PM »
Yes, yes, I know.
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Re: Was anyone else deeply offended by the "You Lie!" outburst?
« Reply #232 on: September 14, 2009, 02:20:37 PM »
Well Nick, I don't do the job, last book I read on it from 2005 painted a different picture. but regardless, we can never stop them all and there will only be more if we tighten the borders. Although, I think the influx of illegals may have slowed some since jobs are hard to get.

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Re: Was anyone else deeply offended by the "You Lie!" outburst?
« Reply #233 on: September 14, 2009, 02:44:01 PM »
I would think just the opposite on the jobs thing.  Yes, jobs for Americans are hard to find, but the demand for cheaper labor should be greater.  As in "I'd sooner pay someone less to do a job over paying all those taxes and social security".  You may not know this, but the social security you pay out of each check?  It's only half of what the government gets.  Your employer has to pay the other half.
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Re: Was anyone else deeply offended by the "You Lie!" outburst?
« Reply #234 on: September 14, 2009, 02:56:16 PM »
hard to say but this site appears to quantify some of the issues around illegals.
http://www.immigrationcounters.com/

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Re: Was anyone else deeply offended by the "You Lie!" outburst?
« Reply #235 on: September 14, 2009, 04:52:50 PM »
I just wanted to point out how Ed "wins" his arguments through spin and attacking others who point out his bull#$%* statements.

Illegals are here illegally.  Simple as that.  Why don't we treat them when they arrive at the emergency room, then call immigration and deport them as soon as they are stable?

First he makes a statement which is ethically and legally questionable.


So now you want everyone to have a full background check... because you would have to do it to everyone, not just "those people". I hope you don't have any outstanding parking tickets... or anything else. Do you think the person at the front desk has the right to know your medical history, let alone your citizen/legal status? I could have sworn you were fighting against govt interference, Ed. Weren't you spouting off about socialism, fascism.... maybe the numbers on the forearm and chipping is where you are going with this, Ed? Hmmmmm.

He's called out on that statement with a reasonable argument which dissects his original statement with logical conclusions.


so, what are you saying, Mickey?  Let them stay?  Give them all the protection and benefits that the US Government affords it citizens?

Ed attacks the person who called him out by putting words in their mouth and spins the argument by making a grandiose slippery slope conclusion.


Ah Ed, you know what I said. It's written right there. Maybe an English as a 2nd language class? Just sayin'.  ::)

You can hate people all you want, Ed. It is your right as a human. It has nothing to do with where you live. Hate comes from within. You can't discriminate against them in this country though. That is, in reality, what would be happening. You would have to be targeting people by their demographics, which according to the Constitution, is unlawful. (although the neonazis would love you) There are ways of determining who is a citizen and who isn't. That is up the government, not the chickie manning the ER desk. Issue medical ID cards like passports. The passport people tend to get it right. Many of them could pass as proctologists, I suspect.
 
You really aren't worth any more of my time. I have to get ready for work. I'm sure, as with every other day of the week, we'll be having some homeless vets trying to get some "free" healthcare out of the good taxpayers such as yourself, Ed.

The person retorts with another reasonable argument, but this time the response is skewed away from the original statement (deport them as soon as "they" are stabilized) to deal with additional spin from the 2nd statement (give them all healthcare).


Right, I'm a "hater" because I call you on your BS.  Whatever.

Vets earned their healthcare.  They should be treated better than the Veterans Administration does, but that's what you get when you have government-run healthcare.  That's what I've been saying all along.

Ed "wins" by "calling" the person on "their BS" (which was clearly much more logically founded than any of his own statements).  He finishes up with a patriotic tribute to Veterans to prove how American he is.  Note how he successfully managed to spin the argument away from his initial asinine statement to something completely different.

Because, after all, that's what he's been saying all along.
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Re: Was anyone else deeply offended by the "You Lie!" outburst?
« Reply #236 on: September 14, 2009, 04:55:53 PM »
Not to take sides here, because I'm not, but people will tend to call arguments they don't agree with 'illogical' and ones they agree with 'logical'.
It's human nature.
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Re: Was anyone else deeply offended by the "You Lie!" outburst?
« Reply #237 on: September 14, 2009, 04:56:30 PM »
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Re: Was anyone else deeply offended by the "You Lie!" outburst?
« Reply #238 on: September 14, 2009, 04:57:40 PM »
Hey, I never said his arguments were illogical...  I just said they were asinine  ;D
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Re: Was anyone else deeply offended by the "You Lie!" outburst?
« Reply #239 on: September 14, 2009, 04:59:50 PM »
I'm glad everyone don't think like me.......I wish more would agreed me